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#6625985 - 01/10/17 12:35 PM Velvet antlers modified by protein feeder?
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I've wondered for a while if bucks are having their antlers modified during velvet by contact with protein feeder tubes. A neighbor feeds heavily and it seems like more bucks I see have main beams that curve in more rather than growing directly out.

Is this:

a product of this:

and would this:

be a better option?

What do you think?
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#6625999 - 01/10/17 12:44 PM Re: Velvet antlers modified by protein feeder? [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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not sure, but I think it is more of a genetic trait. I would love to shoot a big wide deer. We just don't have many where I hunt.
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#6626000 - 01/10/17 12:45 PM Re: Velvet antlers modified by protein feeder? [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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The most common damage I see to velvet antlers from protein feeders is blunting of the tips of tines. I think you're simply seeing longer main beams on your neighbor's deer due to nutrition and genetics. I'll take a deer with long beams that curve inward over a rake that goes straight out every time. Those longhorns, as I like to call them, typically don't have very long beams. And, if you care about "score", the inside spread credit can't exceed the length of the longest main beam, anyway. So your 28 inch wide deer with 22" beams is only 22" wide, officially. (if you care about such things)

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#6626006 - 01/10/17 12:49 PM Re: Velvet antlers modified by protein feeder? [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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A buck knows where his antlers are above his head while he's is in velvet, so they can be careful with their velvet rack around protein feeders. But, while the antlers are growing, if the velvet is "hit" rather hard on the leg or feeder than things can happen to the rack (sticker points, or droptines.) But the over all rack and points being "curved" in, I would believe would NOT be a result of the buck "hitting" his antlers on the feeder.

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#6626409 - 01/10/17 05:28 PM Re: Velvet antlers modified by protein feeder? [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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GENETICS.

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#6626504 - 01/10/17 06:22 PM Re: Velvet antlers modified by protein feeder? [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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I just learned something new. I never knew any of this about antlers during velvet time. Thanks guys

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#6626731 - 01/10/17 08:29 PM Re: Velvet antlers modified by protein feeder? [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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Interesting thought, but agree with fouzman in that you may be seeing the results of supplemental feeding and maximizing their potential. Have you been able to compare average measurements from prior years?
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#6627186 - 01/11/17 08:23 AM Re: Velvet antlers modified by protein feeder? [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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Looks like the curved in points on the main beam is that the buck has maximized his potential to grow longer antlers on its main beams.It may grow the same curvy main beams next year, tines should get longer with good feeding.

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#6627233 - 01/11/17 08:48 AM Re: Velvet antlers modified by protein feeder? [Re: Stevarino]
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Originally Posted By: Stevarino
Have you been able to compare average measurements from prior years?


Not really, I just know that we seem to be seeing more bucks where the last 4-6" of their beams hook in really hard, like something forced them to grow that way (like bumping them on the downspout of a protein feeder somewhat regularly?). We do have some that don't do that, like this one:


But then we have this one, where the tips hooked hard:
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#6627239 - 01/11/17 08:52 AM Re: Velvet antlers modified by protein feeder? [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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Mills county? We have similar genetics in far western Coryell/ sw Hamilton county.. about a 1/3 of our bucks do the same thing.




Deer on the right is same dead deer above..







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#6627256 - 01/11/17 09:10 AM Re: Velvet antlers modified by protein feeder? [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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QSYB, after looking at the other photos you posted I'm sure that's a function of genetics and age. If the antlers were "bumped" enough to alter the growth direction of the main beams, there would be obvious damage to the outside of both main beams. I'm not saying that can't happen, I've just never seen it with ours or friend's deer that are fed protein year-round from several different styles of protein feeders.

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#6627296 - 01/11/17 09:41 AM Re: Velvet antlers modified by protein feeder? [Re: fouzman]
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
QSYB, after looking at the other photos you posted I'm sure that's a function of genetics and age. If the antlers were "bumped" enough to alter the growth direction of the main beams, there would be obvious damage to the outside of both main beams. I'm not saying that can't happen, I've just never seen it with ours or friend's deer that are fed protein year-round from several different styles of protein feeders.


That is probably the case. We have worked hard to let our deer age and most of the deer we're seeing it on are older (but also have bigger racks that could lead to interference).

Thanks for the feedback! up
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#6627528 - 01/11/17 11:52 AM Re: Velvet antlers modified by protein feeder? [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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As fouzman said. Genetics on how much the beams sweep in and age on overall length IMO.

I asked a question a few weeks ago about average beam length and was surprised to hear most say 25"

Found this in my phone, but can't remember the exact source (2nd paragraph)

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#6627535 - 01/11/17 11:58 AM Re: Velvet antlers modified by protein feeder? [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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I'd be shocked if the average beam length on bucks harvested by the board is 25". Not saying anyone's mistaken, but my own personal research tends to be more like 22"-24" and that's for S TX deer. Really giant bucks will be 26-28", but those deer are exceptions.

The average beam length of Boone & Crockett record book typicals is 25 5/8", and I've not seen many book deer posted here.

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#6627689 - 01/11/17 01:37 PM Re: Velvet antlers modified by protein feeder? [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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we killed two deer this year with 24+" main beams. When I'm scoring a mature deer in panhandle I'm usually basing main beam score on 21". My deer this year had a 26" main beam.
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