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#6625607 - 01/10/17 09:08 AM New world record non typical
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Read in the other post about the new world record non-typical. Crazy big deer.

Does anyone else wonder if it is a pure native wild, and always has been un-influenced by man/science deer? or is there a breeder farm just down the road?

Not to take away from his deer in the slightest, just seems that deer breeders are so common place it wouldn't be a hard stretch. Again not saying I believe that to be the case just a thought.
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#6625680 - 01/10/17 09:49 AM Re: New world record non typical [Re: redchevy]
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In the 4 years I've owned my place in Bellville outside of Houston (note: not an area exactly known for big deer), I've seen a double-split mainbeam 4yr old that scored 154, a gnarly, weird buck with like 20 short points, and one of my neighbors found a locked up dead buck with 4 drop tines. They weren't long, but all over an inch.

There are no HF or breeders around us at all. Just some really whacky genetics in our area. My only point is that it only has to happen 1 time anywhere in the nation with tens of millions of deer running around.

I can see it happening naturally with the right breeding.

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#6625714 - 01/10/17 10:09 AM Re: New world record non typical [Re: redchevy]
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Brady buck killed in South Texas in 1892, highly doubt it was fed protein or in a high fence



Fulton buck killed in Mississippi in 1996 no high fence in the area and killed pretty close to national forest land



Those are 2 former world records
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#6625737 - 01/10/17 10:17 AM Re: New world record non typical [Re: redchevy]
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I think the deer from Tennessee is legit. A lot of times if there is anything fishy going on, it normally comes out pretty quick. It's a shame that there are so many deer like that one killed off of high fences now, that we automatically question a natural one.

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#6625748 - 01/10/17 10:22 AM Re: New world record non typical [Re: cameron00]
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Originally Posted By: cameron00
In the 4 years I've owned my place in Bellville outside of Houston (note: not an area exactly known for big deer), I've seen a double-split mainbeam 4yr old that scored 154, a gnarly, weird buck with like 20 short points, and one of my neighbors found a locked up dead buck with 4 drop tines. They weren't long, but all over an inch.

There are no HF or breeders around us at all. Just some really whacky genetics in our area. My only point is that it only has to happen 1 time anywhere in the nation with tens of millions of deer running around.

I can see it happening naturally with the right breeding.


agreed. the little spot i lease is in a big bottom of about 2500-3000 acres, with houses and highways in all directions, so we tend to see the same deer year after year. between myself and the 7-8 neighbors i know, we usually have around 10 mature bucks on camera every year, and very few are ever what i would call "clean." this year we had a big 11 (6x5) and a nice 8 that i would call clean, every other mature deer was at least 10pts and had kickers, splits, or some sort of NT tine, many of them have more than one of these NT features. the deer below in my sig is an example, he was extremely old and went from a 10 in 2014 to a 12 in 2015, but he has inlines and kickers.

there are a few other areas around us that have similar genetics, with very few "typical" framed mature deer, and its strange, because i have hunted places before that we very rarely, if ever, saw any type of "nontypical" points on the bucks.

but i can also see your point, i read through a bunch of the comments on the alabama facebook page about that alabama deer, mainly for the entertainment value, but there was a guy that lived in the small town that was defending the legitimacy of the buck by saying that there werent even any breeders around there and 2 guys corrected him and gave the names of 2 different operations just outside of that town.


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#6625754 - 01/10/17 10:25 AM Re: New world record non typical [Re: kmon1]
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Originally Posted By: kmon1
Brady buck killed in South Texas in 1892, highly doubt it was fed protein or in a high fence



Fulton buck killed in Mississippi in 1996 no high fence in the area and killed pretty close to national forest land



Those are 2 former world records


just look at the deer that come from the hagerman area every year, they have tons of NT genetics in that area, and counties around them do as well.
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#6625816 - 01/10/17 11:13 AM Re: New world record non typical [Re: jshouse]
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Originally Posted By: jshouse
Originally Posted By: kmon1
Brady buck killed in South Texas in 1892, highly doubt it was fed protein or in a high fence



Fulton buck killed in Mississippi in 1996 no high fence in the area and killed pretty close to national forest land



Those are 2 former world records


just look at the deer that come from the hagerman area every year, they have tons of NT genetics in that area, and counties around them do as well.


Add several years of AR, the quality of our deer heard is exploding! I've hunted the NT area for the last 25 years and in the last 5 years, I've seen more BIG deer than in the last 20 combined!

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#6626005 - 01/10/17 12:48 PM Re: New world record non typical [Re: redchevy]
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We used to see some cool genetics on river north of St. Joe.
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#6626259 - 01/10/17 03:50 PM Re: New world record non typical [Re: kmon1]
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Originally Posted By: kmon1
Brady buck killed in South Texas in 1892, highly doubt it was fed protein or in a high fence





1892! eeks333...that mount looks great to be 124 years old..... cheers
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#6626531 - 01/10/17 06:37 PM Re: New world record non typical [Re: redchevy]
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Was that sarcasm, SW?
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#6627032 - 01/11/17 01:11 AM Re: New world record non typical [Re: redchevy]
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SW that Is a reproduction of the rack mounted on another deer, the actual one is in San Antonio in the buckhorn hall of horns. It stood for 90+ years IIRC as the #1 non-typical in the Boone and Crockett book
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#6627095 - 01/11/17 06:49 AM Re: New world record non typical [Re: redchevy]
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food Bet the sausage taste the same as a doe! eek2
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#6627115 - 01/11/17 07:12 AM Re: New world record non typical [Re: redchevy]
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I also believe that the native genetics and food can produce those deer. I have seen a couple come from places I would never believe had I not seen them.
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#6627633 - 01/11/17 01:06 PM Re: New world record non typical [Re: redchevy]
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Crazy big deer
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#6627884 - 01/11/17 04:19 PM Re: New world record non typical [Re: Sneaky]
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Was that sarcasm, SW?
Yes! Awesome bucks.... up
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