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I'm new to the training collar world and I'm searching for some inside advice. Between the SportDOG SD 425 and the Garmin Sport Pro, does anyone have any personal experience with either? I have a friend that recommends the SportDOG because he has had Garmins and he wasn't too impressed with them. I have two, one year old labs.

Thanks in advance!

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I use a Garmin Pro 550 two collar system. Train 4 to 5 days a week and dont have any issues.

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In general Garmin and Dogtra are the top of the line e-collar manufacturers. Most pros who use e-collars day in and day out year after year use Garmin and Dogtra....

You will get a wide range of opinions but the facts are that Garmin and Dogtra are the better collars.

With that said I guess if you bought a lower end Garmin vs the top of the line SportDog they could be similar in quality.

I personally use the Dogtra 1900s and I really like it. I use it almost every day and Ive charged it twice in a year. The next collar I get will probably be the Dogtra edge RT or Garmin Pro 550 due to the difference in level selection.


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I've used them all and Sportdog, in my opinion, is the best. I'd go with the 1225 instead of the 425 if cost is an issue. If not then jump up to the 1825. Sportdog is the only company that will warranty their transmitters if they are dropped in the water and suffer damage because of it. The others only claim to be water resistant and the fine print states the warranty doesn't cover water damage.


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I've used the sportdog for a few years now.

Think a lot of it's personal preference. I liked the sport dog because of the dial rather than having to press a button each time I wanted to change the electricity level. Allows me to adjust without looking and still know what level I'm on. If I lose track I just go all the way up or down and count the clicks til I'm back where I want.

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Garmin 550 easy to step up very good low range. (You want to train as low as possible. You can get dogs to respond to a constant level 1 on a Garmin if train the dog properly before hand.

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Originally Posted By: kbobbjr
I've used them all and Sportdog, in my opinion, is the best. I'd go with the 1225 instead of the 425 if cost is an issue. If not then jump up to the 1825. Sportdog is the only company that will warranty their transmitters if they are dropped in the water and suffer damage because of it. The others only claim to be water resistant and the fine print states the warranty doesn't cover water damage.


I know you train for a living so i am interested in your preference other than warranty. Stimulus levels, the transmitter feel in your hand ect... please tell me all you can about it.

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Originally Posted By: Leonardo
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I've used them all and Sportdog, in my opinion, is the best. I'd go with the 1225 instead of the 425 if cost is an issue. If not then jump up to the 1825. Sportdog is the only company that will warranty their transmitters if they are dropped in the water and suffer damage because of it. The others only claim to be water resistant and the fine print states the warranty doesn't cover water damage.


I know you train for a living so i am interested in your preference other than warranty. Stimulus levels, the transmitter feel in your hand ect... please tell me all you can about it.


He doesn't believe that tripe. Lyle is sponsored by sportdog. No one that has ever had any real experience training day in and day out would choose a sportdog over Garmin and Dogtra.

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I've used them all and Sportdog, in my opinion, is the best. I'd go with the 1225 instead of the 425 if cost is an issue. If not then jump up to the 1825. Sportdog is the only company that will warranty their transmitters if they are dropped in the water and suffer damage because of it. The others only claim to be water resistant and the fine print states the warranty doesn't cover water damage.


I know you train for a living so i am interested in your preference other than warranty. Stimulus levels, the transmitter feel in your hand ect... please tell me all you can about it.


Give me a call so we can talk and not have to worry about others speaking on my behalf. Just for the record, I'm not sponsored by Sportdog and the last time I checked, my name is not Lyle.


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OP the truth is Sportdog is junk. Do a search on any of the dog forums including rtf and you will see that they have issues regularly, they die, they don't hold a charge, and are well known for being an inferior product to Garmin and Dogtra. Dogtra has amazing service as well. It depends on what application you are looking for. I have a Garmin (tri tronics) pro 200 for everyday training as I like the tubular style transmitter for every day training and ease of use (larger buttons and dial control for stim level with clicks). I have the dogtra arc for hunting, as I like the slim line design of the receiver collar and the light small transmitter for hanging around my neck during the hunt.

Every serious trainer not sponsored by or not working for a trainer sponsored by Sportdog uses Garmin or Dogtra(make no mistake Kevin has to support Sportdog). Spend the little bit extra and find the right Garmin or Dogtra for your application. It will save you the headache of replacing it sooner rather than later.

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Just my two cents worth, but I insist on having a dedicated button for each dog. No switch to mess with, no changing screens. That translates in my book, to being too late for a timely correction.

I run pointing dogs, and recently updated to the Garmin Alpha system...BUT ONLY after I found that you could dedicate the buttons on top to a specific dog (collar in my case...I swap dogs out regularly during the hunt).

That is the main feature I look for regardless of the brand of the system.

That said, I have used Tri-tronics (now Garmin)and Garmin GPS equipment for yrs, and have had outstanding service and longevity out of all the equipment I have used.

Their tech support and warranty policies have always been stellar In my experience.

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Originally Posted By: Migillicutty
OP the truth is Sportdog is junk. Do a search on any of the dog forums including rtf and you will see that they have issues regularly, they die, they don't hold a charge, and are well known for being an inferior product to Garmin and Dogtra. Dogtra has amazing service as well. It depends on what application you are looking for. I have a Garmin (tri tronics) pro 200 for everyday training as I like the tubular style transmitter for every day training and ease of use (larger buttons and dial control for stim level with clicks). I have the dogtra arc for hunting, as I like the slim line design of the receiver collar and the light small transmitter for hanging around my neck during the hunt.

Every serious trainer not sponsored by or not working for a trainer sponsored by Sportdog uses Garmin or Dogtra(make no mistake Kevin has to support Sportdog). Spend the little bit extra and find the right Garmin or Dogtra for your application. It will save you the headache of replacing it sooner rather than later.


I like this answer.

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OP the truth is Sportdog is junk. Do a search on any of the dog forums including rtf and you will see that they have issues regularly, they die, they don't hold a charge, and are well known for being an inferior product to Garmin and Dogtra. Dogtra has amazing service as well. It depends on what application you are looking for. I have a Garmin (tri tronics) pro 200 for everyday training as I like the tubular style transmitter for every day training and ease of use (larger buttons and dial control for stim level with clicks). I have the dogtra arc for hunting, as I like the slim line design of the receiver collar and the light small transmitter for hanging around my neck during the hunt.

Every serious trainer not sponsored by or not working for a trainer sponsored by Sportdog uses Garmin or Dogtra(make no mistake Kevin has to support Sportdog). Spend the little bit extra and find the right Garmin or Dogtra for your application. It will save you the headache of replacing it sooner rather than later.


Incorrect again, I work for myself. No matter, since I use inferior products therefore I must be incompetent.


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Thank you everyone for your help! I wasnt familiar with any SportDog products or knew of anyone who used them. The friend that has the Garmin 550 got it on discount through Gander when he worked there so he was trying to find a more affordable option for me. However, after research and talking to fellow hunters and friends they confirmed everything mentioned on here. They are either running Dogtras or Garmins. Now my research is between the Garmin Sport Pro or the Dogtra 1900s...
Everyone that I talk to that dislike Garmins said that they didnt offer enough "pop" BUT they had older models that didn't have the longer contact points. Everyone that ran Dogtras said a con is they are bulky...the Garmin Sport Pro seems small and compact and easy to use with one hand.

I guess I just need to buy one and get my own thoughts..


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The Dogtra 1900s is very compact. The collar itself now has the same design as the ARC which I really like.

The only con (if it's a con) I can think of with the 1900s and ARC is that for me I'm not really crazy about the 1-127 levels of stim. You do get used to it and I run mine at about 4 levels on that spectrum...20,30,40,50. That's the only reason I'd like to have the Edge RT or Pro 550. All other aspects of the 1900s are great.


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Dogtra has the edge with retriever people--they like higher stimulation. Garmin models, especially high end ones, are favored by upland folks. I feel garmin models are easier to step up--increase the stimulation without stoping it.

You really don't need a lot of high end stimulation--you are much better off using low levels of continuous.
(I could don without the nick or momentary button, but must have the ability to step up from low levels at 1 and 2 on the garmin)

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Garmin 550 pro and garmin astro. Works for me but my dog is a big ranging upland hunter.

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I'd recommend Garmin, I haven't heard great reviews of SportDOG stuff. I know a few people that have had sportdog but most have switched to Garmin or Dogtra by now.

I personally like Garmin over everything.


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My tritronics/ garmin was junk right out of the box. Tritronics wouldn't back it up. My 6 year old sport dogs have been superb

I would take dogtra over garmin

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I've never had real good luck with sportdog, and was always a tritonics person. Then garmin ruined what was a great ecollar. Out of the 3 companies mentioned, I would rather use Dogtra.



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Which garmin do y'all not like?

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Which garmin do y'all not like?

550 has low range options in constant , two stepup buttons, allowing three stimulation options in a second.

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Which garmin do y'all not like?

550 has low range options in constant , two stepup buttons, allowing three stimulation options in a second.


Yes, I have one.

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I have one Sportdog 1825 and my hunting partner has two just like it. We bought them when they first came out and have never had any problem of any sort out of the three and they get used a lot. I do send them in every third year for a battery change but don't think that is unreasonable. Might not be as good as some others but for sure the best we have tried over the years. Would buy another 1825 or maybe a 1225 if one of those 3 should quit. Reliable and does the job way out there if needed.

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I have the Garmin Sport Pro two collar set. I bought it about a year and a half ago. At that time my youngest pup was 8 or 9 months old. She was showing a bit of aggression and barking at our neighbors dogs on the other side of the fence. I decided to take the second collar (red color band), program it for bark mode and put it on my dog. The "bark" mode stimulation was supposed to be progressive, starting low and then progressing intensity as the dog continues to bark. Once the dog stops barking the program resets itself to low intensity and the cycle starts again. This is supposed to allow the dog to associate the stimulation to the barking without "all or nothing" intensity like a lot of "low end" collars have.

Within a few minutes of putting the collar on the dog, she barked. Immediately she let out a blood curdling cry and bolted across the yard and underneath my RV. I was standing next to her for the first stimulation and her reaction was as if she was receiving a "full dose" not a "low dose." She never stopped crying and the collar never stopped stimulating. By the time I crawled under the camper, pulled her out and got the collar off of her she was foaming at the mouth, had deficated everywhere and her neck was slightly burned. I had been bitten all over my hands. It was horrible. I cried.

The next day I called the place I had bought the collar from and was told they had not had similar reports. Next I called Garmin and explained the situation. They asked me a few questions and finally told me that their collars were perfectly fine. They felt as though the episode was related to user error and that I must have done something wrong when programming the collar. I accepted their explanation and took responsibly.

Low and behold a few days later I received a replacement "second" collar from Garmin under recall and return packaging for my existing collar. The recall only affected the "second collar." The primary collar was fine. The recall was due to a "programing error" on some " second collars in the two collar set. I have no idea what went wrong, if it was my fault or theirs but I traded the collar out and haven't had a problem since. Admittedly, I haven't used "bark mode" since and probably never will.


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I know they had a problem with the bark mode, when they first came out. Garage door openers on the same signal giving the dog a high correction.
I know the supplier, and they took the collar back.



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Never tried bark mode.
Also, If you go garmin, don't get a delta.

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I use the Dogtra Edge RT. I have a Garmin Pro 550 as well but have found that it's not near as effective as the Dogtra.


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UPDATE: I received my Garmin Sport Pro's today and they are on the charger now. Thank you everyone for your input! I will keep y'all updated with any cons.


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UPDATE: From no prior experience with collars, the Garmin Sport Pro is easy to learn, small in your hand and offers PLENTYYYY of "stimulation" on my labs. The lights at night are an awesome feature and though they don't put out enough light to offer you any light, they are nice to see as an added layer of awareness. The tone isn't the loudness but loud enough that they can hear it. The vibe is also nice to have as they pick up on it pretty quickly and allows me to use tone for another command.


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UPDATE: I received my Garmin Sport Pro's today and they are on the charger now. Thank you everyone for your input! I will keep y'all updated with any cons.

I got my eye on that one too. This is what you got? That's Steve's pick!!

http://www.gundogsupply.com/garmin-tri-tronics-sport-pro.html

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I have the Garmin Sport Pro two collar set. I bought it about a year and a half ago. At that time my youngest pup was 8 or 9 months old. She was showing a bit of aggression and barking at our neighbors dogs on the other side of the fence. I decided to take the second collar (red color band), program it for bark mode and put it on my dog. The "bark" mode stimulation was supposed to be progressive, starting low and then progressing intensity as the dog continues to bark. Once the dog stops barking the program resets itself to low intensity and the cycle starts again. This is supposed to allow the dog to associate the stimulation to the barking without "all or nothing" intensity like a lot of "low end" collars have.

Within a few minutes of putting the collar on the dog, she barked. Immediately she let out a blood curdling cry and bolted across the yard and underneath my RV. I was standing next to her for the first stimulation and her reaction was as if she was receiving a "full dose" not a "low dose." She never stopped crying and the collar never stopped stimulating. By the time I crawled under the camper, pulled her out and got the collar off of her she was foaming at the mouth, had deficated everywhere and her neck was slightly burned. I had been bitten all over my hands. It was horrible. I cried.

The next day I called the place I had bought the collar from and was told they had not had similar reports. Next I called Garmin and explained the situation. They asked me a few questions and finally told me that their collars were perfectly fine. They felt as though the episode was related to user error and that I must have done something wrong when programming the collar. I accepted their explanation and took responsibly.

Low and behold a few days later I received a replacement "second" collar from Garmin under recall and return packaging for my existing collar. The recall only affected the "second collar." The primary collar was fine. The recall was due to a "programing error" on some " second collars in the two collar set. I have no idea what went wrong, if it was my fault or theirs but I traded the collar out and haven't had a problem since. Admittedly, I haven't used "bark mode" since and probably never will.

Man that's a terrible story.

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Originally Posted By: kbobbjr
I've used them all and Sportdog, in my opinion, is the best. I'd go with the 1225 instead of the 425 if cost is an issue. If not then jump up to the 1825. Sportdog is the only company that will warranty their transmitters if they are dropped in the water and suffer damage because of it. The others only claim to be water resistant and the fine print states the warranty doesn't cover water damage.

I was just looking at the Sports Pro, says the transmitter floats!

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I want one with a clip so I can clip it to my vest and a strap also any suggestions My trytronic is about 15 years old but its day are limited I feel

Re: Training Collars [Re: changedmyname] #6666456 02/08/17 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: changedmyname
Never tried bark mode.
Also, If you go garmin, don't get a delta.


Agree. I've got a Delta and I'm not happy with it.

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