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Re: Hunting Trip gone bad. [Re: Double Naught Spy] #6625267 01/10/17 05:22 AM
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Really? Exactly what is not adding up? And where are your facts coming from besides the brief short facebook links you posted?


LOL, no facebook links posted. What doesn't add up is the cops not declaring this attack as an attack. The Sheriff's office specifically stated
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... that there is no evidence to support the allegations of a "cross-border violence".


which is what is being intimated in the blog. So that doesn't add up right there. Next is the information from the blog. The folks in the blog stated they believe they were going to be killed, but it is interesting to note by the description that the RV was the apparent target of the purported gunmen. The blog states Walker was injured trying to prevent the RV from being stolen. Why attempt to steal the RV and then kill the people when you can kill the people and then steal the RV?

So according to the blog, Walker was injured trying to prevent the RV from being stolen and "the hunter" (Edwin Roberts) was injured trying to drive away the RV during the attack. So who is trying to steal the RV, the purported Mexicans or the Edwin Roberts? Or were the invaders trying to steal the RV, but were driven off by Walker and Michael and then Edwin decided to go for a ride?

The blog goes into say...
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The family says the men and their wives were grilled about the veracity of their account by Law Enforcement and the assailants got away and likely returned to Mexico.


So apparently there is doubt in the story from the law enforcement perspective who found no evidence of the attackers being from across the border and The Family backs up this doubt by noting how they were grilled about the veracity of their story.

So no, it doesn't add up as I see it. Maybe it will all wash out, but right now, there are too much lack of congruence.


...and there has never been a push to cover up border violence or the prevalence of it....


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It makes sense to me that the attackers didn't know anyone was in the RV when they tried to steal it. That is more probable than that they were trying to kidnap the occupants.

Also, the people attacked said they were attacked by "illegals" but how would they really know. That's probably why law enforcement said there's no evidence at this time of "cross border violence".


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Originally Posted By: postoak
It makes sense to me that the attackers didn't know anyone was in the RV when they tried to steal it. That is more probable than that they were trying to kidnap the occupants.

Also, the people attacked said they were attacked by "illegals" but how would they really know. That's probably why law enforcement said there's no evidence at this time of "cross border violence".


In all the chaos and shooting, hard to imagine they could have gotten a good id, probably just an assumption


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Of course the authorities are going to question the veracity of the story. They always do when there is a shooting with injury/death.

Of course they're not going to say it was cross border violence or drug cartels. They almost NEVER do.

As for why attempt to steal the rv and then kill the people, versus killing the people first and stealing the rv...because cartel folks on US soil typically DO NOT want to be seen and reported. Killing the occupants of the cabin would create and international incident. Stealing their RV undetected would be much more desirable for the bad guys.

Just like the recent murder at Falcon Lake. News and law enforcement reported it as a fisherman murdered after an on-the-water altercation. The guy murdered and the guy in the boat with him were known to law enforcement as local gang members with ties to the Zetas. And they were out in the middle of the lake more than two hours after dark. With two fishing poles but -0- tackle in the boat. Probably delivering cash and picking up weed. Only the guys bringing the weed took the cash and started shooting, then fled back into Mexico by boat. Texas Rangers are involved in the investigation so we may never know the real story.

I believe the Rangers are investigating this deal near Presidio, too. Details and the truth will be hard to come by for a long time, I'd imagine.

Here's the latest I could find.

https://www.abqjournal.com/923857/nm-hunting-guide-client-wounded-in-alleged-border-attack.html

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“It’s a tourist attraction in the Big Bend area, and nobody wants to talk about it, but a lot of ranches have seen a lot of terrible things,” Schneberger said by phone. “This is personal.”

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Also, the people attacked said they were attacked by "illegals" but how would they really know. That's probably why law enforcement said there's no evidence at this time of "cross border violence".


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As for why attempt to steal the rv and then kill the people, versus killing the people first and stealing the rv...because cartel folks on US soil typically DO NOT want to be seen and reported. Killing the occupants of the cabin would create and international incident. Stealing their RV undetected would be much more desirable for the bad guys.


Okay, so you are also saying that you are doubting the story about how the attackers were there to kill them as was being claimed.

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Just like the recent murder at Falcon Lake. News and law enforcement reported it as a fisherman murdered after an on-the-water altercation. The guy murdered and the guy in the boat with him were known to law enforcement as local gang members with ties to the Zetas. And they were out in the middle of the lake more than two hours after dark. With two fishing poles but -0- tackle in the boat. Probably delivering cash and picking up weed. Only the guys bringing the weed took the cash and started shooting, then fled back into Mexico by boat. Texas Rangers are involved in the investigation so we may never know the real story.


So you think the story here doesn't add up and that it was a drug deal of some sort to account for all the shooting? Not just like this event at Falcon in the sense that authorities were openly entertaining the notion that it was Mexican drug cartel-related. http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Man-killed-while-fishing-on-border-lake-10781308.php


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Re: Hunting Trip gone bad. [Re: ACKHNTR] #6625480 01/10/17 01:56 PM
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DNS, to your first question, yes, I doubt the people were there to kill them. They were trying to steal an RV and the doctor and his wife happened to be inside of it. They may have been cartel guys but it wasn't drug related.

My point in comparing this to the Falcon lake shooting is that the authorities will seldom ever say it was drug or cartel related. Cartels are involved in a lot more crime than just drugs down there. The fact that the Sheriff stated two young guys were out in the lake fishing, is my point. Anyone that knows anything about the border and Falcon Lake knows that is line of BS. No one night fishes on Falcon at night, especially near the Mexican side. And especially without any tackle or safety equipment aboard. The authorities know it was cartel related but they're not talking.

Why do you think we haven't heard anything more about the aerostat balloon nearby that would have FLIR imagery of the entire incident? The authorities already know exactly what happened on Falcon. They also know that David Hartley was not on some innocent sight-seeing trip in the back of the Salado when he was murdered, but you'll never hear that reported.

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On the other hand, it could have been a drug deal that went bad.


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That headline is misleading. Saying that there is no evidence yet that the attackers came from across the border is not the same as "denying" they came from across the border.


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been wanting to do a Big Bend trip and do the road out of Presidio that is along the Rio, don't think I will do.


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Re: Hunting Trip gone bad. [Re: postoak] #6625824 01/10/17 05:19 PM
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That headline is misleading. Saying that there is no evidence yet that the attackers came from across the border is not the same as "denying" they came from across the border.

If you read the entire article it says there is no evidence that anyone came or went from the camp on foot. Those BP guys are pretty good at cutting sign. If there was someone else at the party, they would find their tracks.


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From the Albuquerque newspaper. https://www.abqjournal.com/923857/nm-hunting-guide-client-wounded-in-alleged-border-attack.html?utm_source=San+Angelo+LIVE%21+Daily&utm_campaign=8a97382f72-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_01_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e509ef1720-8a97382f72-319951045

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Five miles north of the Mexican border on a remote West Texas ranch, a New Mexico hunting guide and his client were wounded over the weekend in an alleged gunfight that a family friend described as an attack by “illegal aliens” and an attempted kidnapping.
The Presidio County Sheriff’s Office appeared to question that account in a statement Monday, saying “there is no evidence to support allegations of ‘cross-border violence.'” A Border Patrol spokesman called the alleged incident “highly unusual for our part of the border.”
The following is an account of the events.

Hunting guide Walker Daugherty, 26, of Chloride, N.M. – a ranching community about three hours southwest of Albuquerque near the Gila National Forest – was guiding an exotic big game hunt near Candelaria, Texas, on the border when his party was allegedly attacked by unknown assailants.
Daugherty and his fiancée, another hunting guide and his wife were staying in a lodge at the Circle Dug Ranch. Edwin Roberts, the hunter, and his wife were asleep in a rented RV nearby when gunmen attempted to take the vehicle by force.

Daugherty was shot in the abdomen when he tried to stop the assailants from taking the RV with his clients inside, according to a statement issued by the Gila Livestock Growers Association that described the attack as a kidnapping attempt. Roberts, 59, was shot in the arm.
The RV was “riddled with bullet holes,” the statement said.
Daugherty and Roberts were taken to an El Paso hospital and were in stable condition Monday.

Rancher and Gila Livestock Growers Association President Laura Schneberger issued a news release about the attack, based on the Daugherty family’s account. In addition to their hunting business, Redwing Outfitters, the Daugherty family runs a ranch near the Gila National Forest. The family could not be reached Monday.

“The attack has the family concerned that the attack was not just an attempt to rob the property,” the growers association statement said. “They believe the assailants intended to kill all the party. The attackers were strategically placed around the lodge, and the men were fired upon from different areas.”

Sheriff skeptical
The Presidio County Sheriff’s Office responded to a 911 call around 9:30 p.m. Friday from the Circle Dug Ranch, a two-hour drive from the Presidio County seat, Marfa. Chief Sheriff’s Deputy Joel Nunez responded to the scene.
“We are still investigating details of the shooting,” Sheriff Danny Dominguez said in a statement. “However, there is no evidence to support allegations of ‘cross-border violence’ as released by some media sources.”

The terrain of Presidio County, near Big Bend National Park, is rugged like New Mexico’s Bootheel and notoriously difficult to patrol for both local law enforcement and the U.S. Border Patrol.
The sheriff is tasked with securing more than 3,800 square miles – New Mexico’s Hidalgo County is about 3,400 square miles, by comparison – and the area is a known corridor for drug mules and smugglers leading migrants illegally over the border.
By phone, Dominguez said that despite the illegal traffic through the area, violent incidents like this one haven’t happened.

“This is out of the blue,” he said. “Like they say it happened, something violent like this – no.”
Border Patrol Special Operations Supervisor Rush Carter said agents aided sheriff’s deputies in securing the scene.

“It’s highly unusual for our part of the border,” Carter said. “Any kind of gun violence just doesn’t happen. I wouldn’t say ‘at all,’ but very, very few incidents. If we have gunplay in our area of operation, it’s not folks coming from Mexico doing that.

“We just don’t see it in people who are trying to smuggle aliens or narcotics. If you think about it, when something like that happens, you see the amount of law enforcement presence that comes into an area and the attention it gets, which is bad for them. It will make it that much tougher for them” to make their illegal crossings.

Tourism business
The Big Bend area of West Texas is a magnet for hunters and hikers. Tourism is big business from the hip, artsy town of Marfa into the wild reaches of the Big Bend National Park, which borders Mexico.
Daugherty’s group was hunting aoudad, also known as Barbary sheep, a type of big-horned North African sheep introduced in West Texas. Redwing Outfitters charges $4,900 for a four- to six-day aoudad hunt, according to its website. “In our camps you will find a Christian atmosphere, fun hardworking professional guides and real homecooking,” the website says.

The Circle Dug Ranch, where the party was spending the night, advertises bird-watching, cave exploration and photography workshops and promotes guided hunting packages. An email to the Circle Dug Ranch requesting comment went unanswered Monday.

“It’s a tourist attraction in the Big Bend area, and nobody wants to talk about it, but a lot of ranches have seen a lot of terrible things,” Schneberger said by phone. “This is personal.”
A GoFundMe website account set up to provide financial support to Daugherty had raised more than $18,000 by more than 200 donors in two days. Daugherty is expected to undergo surgery and does not have medical insurance, according to the site.


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Smelled real fishy from the start. Looks like the incident originated at the scene with no "outside" attackers.


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I was hunting with in Iowa several years back and there was another group from Tennessee hunting the same week. The guys from Tennessee didn't like how the hunt was going so they packed up mid week while everyone else including the outfitter was out hunting and hauled [censored]. Apparently as they were packing they picked up a few items that didn't belong to them and took them back to Tennessee with them to show their displeasure with the hunt. They didn't make it all the way back thanks to LE, but this situation here smells like some sort of deal gone bad between the two guys with bullet holes.


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The hunter, Edwin Roberts is a Chiropractor from Pensacola, FL.
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PRESIDIO COUNTY, Texas (WEAR) — A Pensacola doctor is recovering after he and another person were attacked while on a hunting trip in Texas.
The incident occurred while Edwin Roberts and several others were at the Circle Dug Ranch, which is 10 miles North West of Candelaria, Texas on Friday around 9:30 p.m.
Chief Deputy Joel Nunez said he responded to a call “of shots fired, multiple shooters and two individuals severely injured”.
Edwin Roberts, a chiropractor in Pensacola, was shot once in the arm, according to his family. Police say Walker Daughtry was shot in the abdomen.
Channel 3 News spoke to Presidio County Sheriff Danny Dominquez. He would not elaborate on how the shooting happened or release any details on the case since it is still under investigation.
In a news release, Sheriff Dominquez did mention the attack was allegedly not linked to “cross border violence”.
Presidio Sheriff’s Department, the Texas Rangers and the Texas Department of Public Safety are investigating. The U.S. Border Patrol also responded to the scene.
Roberts, 54, was rushed to El Paso University Medical Center. He’s has undergone a second surgery.
Walker, 26, was flown via helicopter to El Paso for a gunshot to the abdomen.
According to a Go Fund Me account for Walker Daugherty, it states "they were involved in a shootout with some illegals, when the illegals tried to steal Walker's .. RV with them still inside" Ashely Boggs, Daugherty's girlfriend said.
The Circle Dug Ranch sits on 20,000 acres and is located in a mountainous area in Presidio County, Texas.
Edwin Roberts is a longtime business owner of Pensacola. He owns A Chiropractic Tradition, which is located on Mobile Highway.


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I used to say "Let's let the facts come out before making any conclusions" on deals like this.

Heck, anymore it doesn't matter for many even when the facts come out. They just say the facts are lies and go on believing what they want to anyway. smile


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Drug deal gone bad or attempted kidnapping, either way - The wall just got 10ft taller.


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The fact that the original story teller won't talk anymore and that the family had to hire lawyers screams BS.

As I said, sicarios don't show up on foot and shoot up a place to steal an RV of all things. How the hell would you even hide a stolen RV? That thing would get lit up instantly by dps, they're not stupid.

At least they got $18,000 from all the people who bought into it so far.

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Anyone heard anything new on this?

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Anyone heard anything new on this?


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I was not able to find out any more info. The go fund me acct is up to 30 grand now. I want to believe banditos did it. I'm waiting on more news.


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