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Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! #6619662 01/06/17 07:22 PM
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I just see that Hornady is coming out with several more ELD-M bullets, including 30 caliber. I have been shooting the 225 BTHP in my 300 Win Mag with great results. Now they are coming out with a 225 grain ELD-M. It has a G1 BC of .777, and a G7 of .391!! That is HUGE!!!! I'm running a G7 of .345 with the 225 BTHP now, and the new ELD-M would be a huge gain in BC. I wish they posted the bullet lengths on these, so I could run my stability calculations to see if it will work in my 1:11" twist barrel.

http://www.hornady.com/store/30-Cal-.308-225-gr-ELD-Match/

http://www.hornady.com/store/ELD-Match/


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FYI- Here's the bullet lengths from Hornady on some of the longer, more aggressive ELDM/X bullets.

308 225 ELD-M- 1.655” (BC @ 1.75 Mach- 1954 fps)
7mm 180 ELDM- 1.535”
6.5mm, 147 ELDM- 1.435”
.277- 145 grain ELDX- 1.372”


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What's the difference between the M & X? I used the 175gr 30-06 ELD-X for hunting this year and it was absolutely devastating on everything from bobcats, coyotes, deer, and pigs. And made my old Browing BAR a much more accurate rifle.


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Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: ChadTRG42] #6619798 01/06/17 08:44 PM
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The technical difference is in the bullet jacket. The ELD-X (for expanding), has a tapered jacket that gets thicker the further down the shaft of the bullet you go. This helps control the expansion, and not allow over expansion or the bullet to come apart. The ELD-M (match), has the same jacket thickness throughout the entire bullet. It will certainly expand, and should expand easier than the ELD-X will. The ELDM is similar to the A-max, just a different tip. Also, Hornady told me the accuracy standards they test the bullets at are twice as tight on the ELDM as they are on the ELDX.


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Very good information. I had been looking for some of that. Thanks!

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I can tell you for a fact the 162 bc is inflated. I trued it up at .307 g7 which is a bit lower than the 4 other numbers they've been advertised at. The 6.5 bullets seem to depend on who you ask what number is correct. Then again if the person doesn't shoot past 700 they likely aren't gonna know.


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I ran Hornady's 4DOF program on it with a 1/11 twist and their gyro factor was 1.2 and they recommend a 1.40 for best performance if I read correctly


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Originally Posted By: dee
I can tell you for a fact the 162 bc is inflated. I trued it up at .307 g7 which is a bit lower than the 4 other numbers they've been advertised at. The 6.5 bullets seem to depend on who you ask what number is correct. Then again if the person doesn't shoot past 700 they likely aren't gonna know.


I believe the Lab Radar has given us the ability to get a known, real velocity, which gives us the ability to find a true BC. No more trusting what the manufacturer tells us. (Which we haven't for some time)


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I can tell you for a fact the 162 bc is inflated. I trued it up at .307 g7 which is a bit lower than the 4 other numbers they've been advertised at. The 6.5 bullets seem to depend on who you ask what number is correct. Then again if the person doesn't shoot past 700 they likely aren't gonna know.


I believe the Lab Radar has given us the ability to get a known, real velocity, which gives us the ability to find a true BC. No more trusting what the manufacturer tells us. (Which we haven't for some time)


Agreed. My velocity is verified with a magnetospeed v3 which is just as solid.

Hornady has a scaled chart out and there is different bc printed on the box. The box had the lower printed numbers at .315 but the chart went a bit higher. It cost me a good bit of points at a few matches with smaller targets. After truing up to .307 I went 9 for 10 on a 1 moa (wind got 1) plate at 1000 if I had used the .315 or other printed ones it would have ran low.


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Knowledge is power, and you knew to verify BC on your own. Well done, that's some surgical shooting!


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Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: ChadTRG42] #6621213 01/07/17 07:22 PM
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Hornady must use the same folks that tested the LRAB's bolt
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Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: ChadTRG42] #6630121 01/13/17 03:27 AM
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The 162 eld-x BC held true out to 1000 yrds for me.

Also I personally heard from a great source that the BC for the 180 eld-m will be in the low 800s.

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If you don't have the gear/time/motivation to do your own BC testing, give Bryan Litz a call or a google. He's the man.

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The bullets isn't out yet. The guys I talked have them in therir hands. Bryan can't test what he doesn't have

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I doubt hornady will offer them up either. Seems none of the bullets are getting the advertised bc although some are closer than others.


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I got 1st shot hits at 500 and 800 yards with no corrections. The 1000 yard shot needed a wind corrections. I used 315 for the G7


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How are you calculating BC? Also the difference between 307 and 315 is about .6(8000ft) to 1(575 ft here) inch drift at 1000 yards for me at 3063 fps.

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Originally Posted By: scdogman
I got 1st shot hits at 500 and 800 yards with no corrections. The 1000 yard shot needed a wind corrections. I used 315 for the G7


Dee,

How are you calculating BC? Also the difference between 307 and 315 is about .6(8000ft) to 1(575 ft here) inch drift at 1000 yards for me at 3063 fps.


Drop verification. Most bc discrepancies don't show until the 700yd area and it's more drop than it is drift. Only really saw it shooting small targets. If the targets are somewhat taller it didn't really show but anything around moa was very evident of the .3-.4mil low. I had just taken for granted with doppler it was good. In hind sight I should have checked after seeing so many different published numbers.


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At 700 yrds the drop difference between.307 and .315 is .9 inches at 600ft of elevation and .7 inches at 8000ft of elevation for a 162 eldx at 3063 fps

1/4 moa at 700 yards is 1.8inches
1/10 mil at 700 yards is 2.4inches

I'm not sure how you are determining the BC. What scope increments are you using?

A gun would have to consistently shoot under .05 MOA to say it's the BC and not the shooter.


.9 is .12 MOA

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Milradian Tested and verified out to 1100yds. At 1000 its 6.5" which is .2. (The .3-.5 was on steel at 1170) in variation and thats between the .315 vs .306. That being said at the match I found said discrepancy I was using the lowest number from the scaled chart of .320 so it was more evident. Thought it was possibly due to my mv being around 2700 but a saum had the same effect running 3k. All numbers were run through applied ballistics 5700 kestrel.


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The numbers for the 180 eld-m are out. 796 g1. 401 g7

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The most perfectly designed (in tetms of BC) bullet in the world will not achieve its BC potential unless it is perfectly stabilized. Lower achieved BC could indicate some kind of deficiency in the rifle.


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RiverRider is correct. Bryan Litz stated in his class that there were many variables and even noted they ran into custom barrels that were slightly off in twist rates which had an effect.


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I'll update a little on my situation. Litz recently released his bc for several of the eld and mines still lower. Talking with them it is believed that possibly might be a deviation of lots. I was told that there was deviation in the lots they tested but it wasn't that much. Mine were all very early runs still got 700 or so left so it'll be a bit before I test again.


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Originally Posted By: dee
I'll update a little on my situation. Litz recently released his bc for several of the eld and mines still lower. Talking with them it is believed that possibly might be a deviation of lots. I was told that there was deviation in the lots they tested but it wasn't that much. Mine were all very early runs still got 700 or so left so it'll be a bit before I test again.


100% correct. I've compared several different lots of Bergers (VLD and Hybrid), and there has been a large variation in the ogive to tip length on several different lots. We had some Berger Hybrids that had a .040" difference from ogive to tip length. This difference will no doubt increase or decrease the actual BC of the bullet you are shooting. This is why I bought 20,000 of the 140 VLD-H to keep the same exact lot and shoot this bullet to be consistent each time I shot it. Switching bullet lots when precision shooting can be a pain to re-dial in the load, which is what I have seen.

In a nut shell, I tune up my actual BC to the drop I am seeing. I have been running the Hornady 225 BTHP in my 300 WM for a while now. The posted BC's from Litz and from Hornady have a fairly large BC difference. My calculations of BC are right in the middle of the 2. I know the exact weather conditions I'm shooting in, I know my come ups, and I know my EXACT muzzle velocity with a correct 100 yard zero. So, the rest is just math calculating and fine tuning my BC. I have run the numbers all the way out to 1780 yards and everywhere in between. The answer is each BC may need to be adjusted slightly to get you EXACTLY on target. I have even fine tuned up my 6.5mm 140 VLD-H as my competition bullet.


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I ended up with several different lots of 105gr Hybrids and just ran them the same with the AB custom curve and had great luck. I'll be honest I never measured them to know how close they were as the gun shot flat out great.

Something I do know on my lot of eld total oal is shorter by .03 than litz. They said that shouldn't change much. I did notice mine measure almost identical to the AMaxs I have. I shot at 940 the other day and will say the plastic hadn't melted as I had several impacts with plastic embedded (mikd steel) in the steel.


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