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#6619662 - 01/06/17 01:22 PM Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!!
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I just see that Hornady is coming out with several more ELD-M bullets, including 30 caliber. I have been shooting the 225 BTHP in my 300 Win Mag with great results. Now they are coming out with a 225 grain ELD-M. It has a G1 BC of .777, and a G7 of .391!! That is HUGE!!!! I'm running a G7 of .345 with the 225 BTHP now, and the new ELD-M would be a huge gain in BC. I wish they posted the bullet lengths on these, so I could run my stability calculations to see if it will work in my 1:11" twist barrel.

http://www.hornady.com/store/30-Cal-.308-225-gr-ELD-Match/

http://www.hornady.com/store/ELD-Match/
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#6619736 - 01/06/17 02:07 PM Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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FYI- Here's the bullet lengths from Hornady on some of the longer, more aggressive ELDM/X bullets.

308 225 ELD-M- 1.655” (BC @ 1.75 Mach- 1954 fps)
7mm 180 ELDM- 1.535”
6.5mm, 147 ELDM- 1.435”
.277- 145 grain ELDX- 1.372”
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#6619787 - 01/06/17 02:37 PM Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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What's the difference between the M & X? I used the 175gr 30-06 ELD-X for hunting this year and it was absolutely devastating on everything from bobcats, coyotes, deer, and pigs. And made my old Browing BAR a much more accurate rifle.
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#6619798 - 01/06/17 02:44 PM Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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The technical difference is in the bullet jacket. The ELD-X (for expanding), has a tapered jacket that gets thicker the further down the shaft of the bullet you go. This helps control the expansion, and not allow over expansion or the bullet to come apart. The ELD-M (match), has the same jacket thickness throughout the entire bullet. It will certainly expand, and should expand easier than the ELD-X will. The ELDM is similar to the A-max, just a different tip. Also, Hornady told me the accuracy standards they test the bullets at are twice as tight on the ELDM as they are on the ELDX.
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#6619942 - 01/06/17 04:32 PM Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Very good information. I had been looking for some of that. Thanks!

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#6620427 - 01/06/17 08:35 PM Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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I can tell you for a fact the 162 bc is inflated. I trued it up at .307 g7 which is a bit lower than the 4 other numbers they've been advertised at. The 6.5 bullets seem to depend on who you ask what number is correct. Then again if the person doesn't shoot past 700 they likely aren't gonna know.
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#6620684 - 01/06/17 11:27 PM Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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I ran Hornady's 4DOF program on it with a 1/11 twist and their gyro factor was 1.2 and they recommend a 1.40 for best performance if I read correctly

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#6620916 - 01/07/17 09:13 AM Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: dee]
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Originally Posted By: dee
I can tell you for a fact the 162 bc is inflated. I trued it up at .307 g7 which is a bit lower than the 4 other numbers they've been advertised at. The 6.5 bullets seem to depend on who you ask what number is correct. Then again if the person doesn't shoot past 700 they likely aren't gonna know.


I believe the Lab Radar has given us the ability to get a known, real velocity, which gives us the ability to find a true BC. No more trusting what the manufacturer tells us. (Which we haven't for some time)
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#6620931 - 01/07/17 09:26 AM Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: dee
I can tell you for a fact the 162 bc is inflated. I trued it up at .307 g7 which is a bit lower than the 4 other numbers they've been advertised at. The 6.5 bullets seem to depend on who you ask what number is correct. Then again if the person doesn't shoot past 700 they likely aren't gonna know.


I believe the Lab Radar has given us the ability to get a known, real velocity, which gives us the ability to find a true BC. No more trusting what the manufacturer tells us. (Which we haven't for some time)


Agreed. My velocity is verified with a magnetospeed v3 which is just as solid.

Hornady has a scaled chart out and there is different bc printed on the box. The box had the lower printed numbers at .315 but the chart went a bit higher. It cost me a good bit of points at a few matches with smaller targets. After truing up to .307 I went 9 for 10 on a 1 moa (wind got 1) plate at 1000 if I had used the .315 or other printed ones it would have ran low.
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#6621177 - 01/07/17 12:53 PM Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: dee]
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Knowledge is power, and you knew to verify BC on your own. Well done, that's some surgical shooting!
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#6621213 - 01/07/17 01:22 PM Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Hornady must use the same folks that tested the LRAB's bolt
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#6630121 - 01/12/17 09:27 PM Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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The 162 eld-x BC held true out to 1000 yrds for me.

Also I personally heard from a great source that the BC for the 180 eld-m will be in the low 800s.

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#6630478 - 01/13/17 08:37 AM Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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If you don't have the gear/time/motivation to do your own BC testing, give Bryan Litz a call or a google. He's the man.

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#6631756 - 01/13/17 10:13 PM Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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The bullets isn't out yet. The guys I talked have them in therir hands. Bryan can't test what he doesn't have

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#6631810 - 01/13/17 10:45 PM Re: Hornady ELD-M line of bullets!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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I doubt hornady will offer them up either. Seems none of the bullets are getting the advertised bc although some are closer than others.
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