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#6616831 - 01/04/17 06:39 PM QuickLoad Information VS Loading Manuals
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First off I'm NO expert in reloading.. I'm curious to what I'm doing wrong in QuickLoad to get wrong data. I'm working on a load for my 260 in QuickLoad - however it's tell me the load I'm inputting is WAY outside the range. So I calculated the load recommendation in Hornady's handbook, and it's say it's WAY outside the range.. What the heck am I doing wrong? I'm working up a load for Hornady 143 EXD-X the Hornady handbook says H1000 49.6gr is MAX. Quickload says I'll blow my gun up..

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#6616914 - 01/04/17 07:21 PM Re: QuickLoad Information VS Loading Manuals [Re: Armalite260]
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#6616920 - 01/04/17 07:24 PM Re: QuickLoad Information VS Loading Manuals [Re: Armalite260]
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My first guess will be that you have a low pressure figure in the field I've circles in red. Are you getting a window with results similar to what I've posted here. or are you outputting a powder profile with a whole bunch of powders listed?
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#6616930 - 01/04/17 07:27 PM Re: QuickLoad Information VS Loading Manuals [Re: Armalite260]
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By the way, my bullet database does not include the new Hornady, so I plugged in another 140-grain bullet. Does yours contain the 143?

I'm also curious as to what you are interpreting to mean that "QL says you'll blow up your gun."
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#6617206 - 01/04/17 10:25 PM Re: QuickLoad Information VS Loading Manuals [Re: Armalite260]
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Yes I have the 143 in my list, I'll send a screen shot tomorrow. I'm not changing the pressure figure it is what pipped in when I choice the bullet and powder.

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#6617220 - 01/04/17 10:35 PM Re: QuickLoad Information VS Loading Manuals [Re: Armalite260]
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When I first starting shooting comps I shot a 260 Rem. I was determined to run a 140 grain bullet with a stiff load of H1000 powder in my 28" barrel and break all kinds of speed records with my 260. I ran the numbers in QL, reloading manuals, and figured it all up and came up with either a high 49 grain or low 50 grain powder charge as my max load with H1000. So I try to load it up. The most you can get into the case is about 47 grains, maybe 48 with a heavy compression and using a drop tube. And this was with Rem brass, not the thicker Lapua stuff now. Velocities were slow in the high 2600 to low 2700 fps range. Speaking from experience, H1000 and a 260 Rem with 140 grain bullets will not work! You simply can not get enough H1000 in the case to get your speeds up. I even tried H4831, and it did not match H4350. H4350 is a great powder for it. No matter what QL says, you can not reach a max pressure load in reality with H1000 and 140 grain in the 260 Rem.
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#6617230 - 01/04/17 10:40 PM Re: QuickLoad Information VS Loading Manuals [Re: Armalite260]
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The main things that will alter your pressures in QL will be seating depth, case capacity, powder selected, powder charge, and bullet weight. The rest is smaller details.
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#6617352 - 01/05/17 06:06 AM Re: QuickLoad Information VS Loading Manuals [Re: Armalite260]
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I stopped using QL a few years ago and just use manuals or manufacturers online data and work up. I see a lot of reloaders posting QL like it's gospel for both loads and velocity. I've used it enough to know the, just like manuals, the chronograph tells the truth. I've seen it way off on the 338 Federal Barnes Data. I'd be blowing up my gun according to QL. Sometimes it works the other way too.

It's a tool, like a manual but I don't think it's any better or accurate. JMO.
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#6617396 - 01/05/17 06:49 AM Re: QuickLoad Information VS Loading Manuals [Re: Armalite260]
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You're surely right about the chronograph, Scott. I would not use just QL without one, but i wouldn't give up either tool.

One of the things I really like about QL is the way you can weigh the effects of certain variances using it---and without putting a nice rifle at risk. I think its usefulness depends entirely upon rhe user's intent, though. If you're inquisitive and always looking for insight it has a lot to offer. If you're at the other end of the spectrum and just looking for recipes, then a couple of manuals or powder distributors' websites would probably serve your purposes.
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#6617409 - 01/05/17 06:59 AM Re: QuickLoad Information VS Loading Manuals [Re: Armalite260]
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RR,

We agree. The main reason I stopped using it is the computer I had it on crashed. I did like it. It was convenient. I just learned to live without it. Some people insist their load is going X fps because QL tells them. I never found it that accurate. When I used it, I found it was more accurate with extruded powders than ball powders.
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#6617565 - 01/05/17 08:33 AM Re: QuickLoad Information VS Loading Manuals [Re: Armalite260]
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^^^^ I fully agree.
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#6617633 - 01/05/17 08:57 AM Re: QuickLoad Information VS Loading Manuals [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
When I first starting shooting comps I shot a 260 Rem. I was determined to run a 140 grain bullet with a stiff load of H1000 powder in my 28" barrel and break all kinds of speed records with my 260. I ran the numbers in QL, reloading manuals, and figured it all up and came up with either a high 49 grain or low 50 grain powder charge as my max load with H1000. So I try to load it up. The most you can get into the case is about 47 grains, maybe 48 with a heavy compression and using a drop tube. And this was with Rem brass, not the thicker Lapua stuff now. Velocities were slow in the high 2600 to low 2700 fps range. Speaking from experience, H1000 and a 260 Rem with 140 grain bullets will not work! You simply can not get enough H1000 in the case to get your speeds up. I even tried H4831, and it did not match H4350. H4350 is a great powder for it. No matter what QL says, you can not reach a max pressure load in reality with H1000 and 140 grain in the 260 Rem.


Thanks to everyone for their input. So, are there manuals out there that will show all kinds of bullets with different powders? Barnes website only has a couple, and hodgdon's website doesn't have a good bullet selection. What do the masses recommend seeing that QL isn't the key? Time to get my Google-fu black belt going..

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#6617678 - 01/05/17 09:15 AM Re: QuickLoad Information VS Loading Manuals [Re: Armalite260]
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There's several places I look online, depending on what I need. Hodgdon online is a great source. You can piggy back the data with the same weight bullets to get you in the ball park. There are a few exceptions, and the Hodgdon 260 Rem data listed for the 142 SMK is WAY off. It shows 44.5 grains of H4350 with a 142 SMK. That will be a HOT load, especially at 2.780" COAL in most 260 Rem rifle's.

I also look at Alliant's site some, but not a lot. Nosler (see link below) is very resourceful. The link I posted is the 260 Rem link, and it shows H1000 at 50.0 grains as max, and 110% case fill (I don't think you can even get to that at the 2.800" length). Berger also now has some loading data on their site, but it is VERY conservative.

I also have multiple reloading manuals. This allows you to compare from each one. The only problem is when several manuals have drastic differences in powder charges with the same round and bullet.

I also use a burn rate chart all the time to figure out what powders are similar in burn rate to compare different rounds. When you start to play with subs, and tinker with different things, it helps to know what other powders are out there that may work for you in a certain cartridge.


https://load-data.nosler.com/load-data/260-remington/

http://www.bergerbullets.com/reloading-data/

Burn rate chart: http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Burn%20Rates%20-%202015-2016.pdf
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#6617719 - 01/05/17 09:37 AM Re: QuickLoad Information VS Loading Manuals [Re: Armalite260]
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So basically you have to research several places for information. Seems like you could find a site or manual with the majority of what a person needs. I've been loading for many years, so I know what I'm doing.. However it's frustrating when you find load information like on hodgdon website then it disappears a month later. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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#6617746 - 01/05/17 09:53 AM Re: QuickLoad Information VS Loading Manuals [Re: Armalite260]
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Yes, it can be frustrating at times. I research all the time when I'm trying a new combo or new powder. Sometimes the lack of info is good, since I will load up some test rounds to shoot at the range, and make up my own data. But you can get a good idea of powder charges by getting as much data as you can out there. I take loads posted by shooters on a forum with a grain of salt, since there are some weird or dangerous combos listed.
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