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 Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/14/17 04:55 PM
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The description so far just sounds like they are playing catch-up with ATN... LOL...Now, I know you know that nobody is playing catch up to ATN after all their debacles. Even if Pulsar never released a 640 core product they are a way better company with products that actually work as advertised.  UNV's post on AR15.com just says it will be sub $5K and if so, put it squarely in ATN's neighborhood for the Thor HD 640 series. I would be almost certain that you have used a Thor HD by now and have realized that it has a lot of the fidgety issues the X-Sight did. If you move side to side, the image sways and plays catch up for instance. There is also the issue where ATN's Thor HD in 4.5X seems very comparable mag-wise to the 2X Pulsar XD50. Me thinks ATN has misrepresented what 4.5X should look like. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IP-HC49BD8&t=36s I think [and don't quote me yet!!..lol] there are 320/330? core and of course 640 core versions....thus the 3K - 5K pricing that has been discussed. Just to say, they have always used the French ULIS 384 core. A switch to 320 or 336 would mean a manufacturer change I believe. This will be the long awaited 640 product from them. Game changer is a strong word. However, I am very happy to see they are moving in this direction. Onboard night time rangefinder? Ballistics? Maybe? 
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
[Re: CharlieCTx]
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01/14/17 07:57 PM
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According to my buddy at Pulsar, the new trail series is gonna be a game changer. I'm supposed to find out some more on them pretty soon. Tell him you know where a group of willing testers are located... Charlie Sorry Charlie, that's what prostaffers are for. 
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/14/17 08:47 PM
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Their prostaff has never really worked that way. Changes afoot. Maybe it will get worked out.
Confirmed, it will have sound.
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
[Re: dfwroadkill]
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01/14/17 09:17 PM
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Their prostaff has never really worked that way. Changes afoot. Maybe it will get worked out.
Confirmed, it will have sound. awesome.
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
[Re: dfwroadkill]
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01/14/17 09:21 PM
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The description so far just sounds like they are playing catch-up with ATN... LOL...Now, I know you know that nobody is playing catch up to ATN after all their debacles. Even if Pulsar never released a 640 core product they are a way better company with products that actually work as advertised. UNV's post on AR15.com just says it will be sub $5K and if so, put it squarely in ATN's neighborhood for the Thor HD 640 series. I would be almost certain that you have used a Thor HD by now and have realized that it has a lot of the fidgety issues the X-Sight did. If you move side to side, the image sways and plays catch up for instance. There is also the issue where ATN's Thor HD in 4.5X seems very comparable mag-wise to the 2X Pulsar XD50. Me thinks ATN has misrepresented what 4.5X should look like. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IP-HC49BD8&t=36s I think [and don't quote me yet!!..lol] there are 320/330? core and of course 640 core versions....thus the 3K - 5K pricing that has been discussed. Just to say, they have always used the French ULIS 384 core. A switch to 320 or 336 would mean a manufacturer change I believe. This will be the long awaited 640 product from them. Game changer is a strong word. However, I am very happy to see they are moving in this direction. Onboard night time rangefinder? Ballistics? Maybe? copy that. I double checked and yes, the Pulsar Apex Thermals all have the 384x288 core. I stand corrected on the 320/336. Tuesday can't come fast enough!
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/17/17 02:01 AM
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/17/17 04:08 AM
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Good find. Was hoping for more optical mag. The 50 is only 1.6X. That won't work for me. Like the variable smooth mag feature though.
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/18/17 02:43 AM
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Pricing should be along shortly.
There is an XP model and XQ model line, which will represent the 640 and 384 cores respectively.
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/29/17 12:15 AM
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That seems like and overly optimistic price for a 1.6x native magnification 640 resolution thermal scope. Surely that is a typo.
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/29/17 01:37 AM
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That seems like and overly optimistic price for a 1.6x native magnification 640 resolution thermal scope. Surely that is a typo. Here's one priced at $5K — That's getting closer to attracting my interest. http://usaoptics.net/pl76509.html At least we're beginning to see some prices …
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/29/17 04:02 PM
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y'all hang tight, pricing should be better on this new stuff than y'all are seeing so far.
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/30/17 12:46 AM
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They make ammo specifically for hunting for a reason! 
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/30/17 02:16 AM
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These are minimum advertised prices:
Trail XP38: $4499.97
Trail XP50: $4999.97
Trail XQ38: $3299.97
Trail XQ50 $3799.97
Core RXQ30V: $1899.97
Core FXQ38 FA: $3999.97
Core FXQ50 FA: $4499.97
If theres any other prices you guys are looking for let me know and I'll post them up.
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/30/17 05:48 PM
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I think FLir will be releasing a new line soon and if the guy i talked to is right the prices will be good
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/30/17 09:40 PM
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stxhunter, that seems much more appropriate!
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
[Re: dfwroadkill]
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01/30/17 09:55 PM
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Good find. Was hoping for more optical mag. The 50 is only 1.6X. That won't work for me. Like the variable smooth mag feature though. I think my 50A is only 2x. Pip is what does it for me.
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/31/17 01:08 AM
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stxhunter, that seems much more appropriate!
Yep, I've got pricing and the new catalog right in front of me.
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/31/17 02:36 AM
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Flirs new thermal comes out in a month or so. New processor suppose to make new 340 look like old 640
$2200 for 320 and 640 will start 4400. I'd wait a month or so
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/31/17 03:07 AM
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FLIRs of yester year were dogs in terms of image quality - for their sake I hope your right on both price and performance as they have some market share to try and gain back in relation to rifle scopes.
Software is a great help , when it works...
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/31/17 03:11 AM
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/31/17 03:23 AM
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.... I'd wait a month or so Somebody always has something new coming, buy what you can afford and go enjoy it, this weekend!
Kel-Tec RFB + Griffin Sportsman Ultra Light 300 + Pulsar Apex XQ-50
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/31/17 06:20 PM
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Now that Trijicon owns IR Defense I am curious if pricing will come down on them.
I will be getting one in soon.
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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01/31/17 11:31 PM
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This space is For Sale - inquire within ...
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Re: Best Thermal for under $3000.
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02/01/17 12:03 AM
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Thanks Pig Popper. Now just waiting for some actual field tests posts from you regulars.
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