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#6612226 - 01/02/17 10:52 AM AR Restriction Question
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In AR counties, beside the 13-inch rule, a legal buck can have "at least one unbranched antler." Two scenarios:

1. A young buck has 2 or 3 points on one side, but the other side is missing, broken or deformed so that there are no points. Is that a legal buck?

2. A spike has a visible bump on one or both sides. What is a branch? Must the antler be entirely smooth to be unbranched? A point is defined as a projection of one inch or more; does a point become a branch in this case?

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#6612233 - 01/02/17 10:57 AM Re: AR Restriction Question [Re: papa45]
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1. Yes
2. No, unless it's one inch or longer. Think you answered your own question here.

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#6612252 - 01/02/17 11:09 AM Re: AR Restriction Question [Re: papa45]
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Broken antler does not count as unbranched. Visible bump is a baby.

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#6612258 - 01/02/17 11:13 AM Re: AR Restriction Question [Re: dgilbert]
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Originally Posted By: dgilbert
Broken antler does not count as unbranched.


I think you are incorrect about that.
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#6612264 - 01/02/17 11:16 AM Re: AR Restriction Question [Re: papa45]
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#6612271 - 01/02/17 11:20 AM Re: AR Restriction Question [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
Originally Posted By: dgilbert
Broken antler does not count as unbranched.


I think you are incorrect about that.


If that's the case wouldn't the chart above say one broken or unbranched antler?
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#6612319 - 01/02/17 11:48 AM Re: AR Restriction Question [Re: Pitchfork Predator]
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Originally Posted By: Pitchfork Predator
Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
Originally Posted By: dgilbert
Broken antler does not count as unbranched.


I think you are incorrect about that.


If that's the case wouldn't the chart above say one broken or unbranched antler?


I shot a cull like this and the GW said it was fine. He looked at it and easily determined I hadn't broken it myself. Might that differ from GW to GW? Maybe, but he said it qualified.

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#6612335 - 01/02/17 11:52 AM Re: AR Restriction Question [Re: Pitchfork Predator]
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Originally Posted By: Pitchfork Predator
Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
Originally Posted By: dgilbert
Broken antler does not count as unbranched.


I think you are incorrect about that.


If that's the case wouldn't the chart above say one broken or unbranched antler?


Unbranched is a more general term than broken, spike, nubbin, deformed, etc. So by saying unbranched it includes all of the possible more specific and limiting terms.

That is also why they say "antlerless" tag rather than "doe" tag. You can kill a buck that is antlerless, but you cannot kill a doe with antlers. You can also kill a buck that does not have a hardened antler.

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#6612351 - 01/02/17 11:56 AM Re: AR Restriction Question [Re: papa45]
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Agree. GW is going to be able To determine really quick of a time was sawed off or broken off, as anyone with common sense would.

As always, use common sense and don't be caught with a dreamer tool or saw in your bag with fresh antler powder on it and you should be good to go.

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#6612398 - 01/02/17 12:18 PM Re: AR Restriction Question [Re: papa45]
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Definition of a legal buck in any AR county.

a hardened antler protruding through the skin AND; at least one unbranched antler; OR
an inside spread measurement between main beams of 13 inches or greater (does not apply to a buck that has an unbranched antler).

Must have at least one unbranched antler or be 13" inside.

A buck that has one branched antler and is missing the other antler doesn't have one unbranched antler, it has one branched antler plus nothing on the other side to measure width from.

---> TPWD Whitetail Deer <--- Click on the Special Antler Restriction tab on the left.

Some GW's cut some slack, others don't.

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#6612448 - 01/02/17 01:01 PM Re: AR Restriction Question [Re: papa45]
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I agree, seems to me if a broken antler qualified they would state that in the guidelines and show a picture example of a broken antler.

I went to the current website and it doesn't say anything about it being legal with pics or words. I wouldn't take the chance before contacting TPW and making sure.
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#6612468 - 01/02/17 01:17 PM Re: AR Restriction Question [Re: papa45]
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I have heard from processor that heard from GW that broken antler is "not" unbranched, simply broken.

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#6612528 - 01/02/17 02:03 PM Re: AR Restriction Question [Re: papa45]
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Broken antler qualifies as unbranched.

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#6612554 - 01/02/17 02:18 PM Re: AR Restriction Question [Re: papa45]
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An antler which is completely missing from one side with a branched antler on the other side is very simple to me. If there is no antler it canít be an unbranched antler, so it canít be legal. A broken antler causes more of a problem because it may or may not have been branched yesterday or even this morning.

I donít know how any individual GW would see it, but with no evidence the broken antler was branched and that you knew it, I donít see any way that case can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. If itís a buck I donít recognize, I can assume the broken antler used to be branched but there is no way to know for sure just as there is no way for the GW to know for sure. Now if the break happens to be fresh you will definitely have some explaining to do.

If I saw a buck I recognized and I knew the antler was unbranched and unbroken the last time I saw it, I would leave it alone. Regardless of what the GW can or canít prove, my knowing it would be enough. At that point it's more of an ethical decision and I interpret the law to mean in the antler's original unaltered state.

It's very simple to to write "broken" into the law if they wanted it prohibited, and they didn't. Unless they just overlooked that all these years I have to assume that means they did not intend broken antlers to be an automatic disqualifier.
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#6612566 - 01/02/17 02:27 PM Re: AR Restriction Question [Re: papa45]
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All anyone has to do to get a 100% correct answer is submit a question to TPWD.
---> TPWD
No reason to go off of interweb forum opinions, take the 2 minutes & send a question.

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