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#6603917 - 12/27/16 08:22 AM 1905 8mm Mauser
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A friend showed me his grandfather's 1905 8mm Mauser and he is anxious to use it on a hog. He asked me if I could reload for his rifle and I looked over the rifle, it has that German Eagle insignia on it and by golly that rifle is old. I am reluctant to handload for that particular rifle since handloads is mostly for modern firearms differ in CUP pressure and the last thing I want is for that old rifle to blow up and injure someone that will use it. I did some research on it and it has two different bores, .318 for the earlier rifles and .323 for the later rifles.

What do you recommend? I recommend that he cleans the rifle real good and use it for a wall hanger. Opinions appreciated. Thanks

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#6603950 - 12/27/16 08:58 AM Re: 1905 8mm Mauser [Re: Big Stan]
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I sure wouldn't do it, for a number of reasons.
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#6604044 - 12/27/16 09:56 AM Re: 1905 8mm Mauser [Re: Big Stan]
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Take it to a gunsmith.

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#6604366 - 12/27/16 01:26 PM Re: 1905 8mm Mauser [Re: Big Stan]
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Post pictures.

I found this on the CMP forums; it pretty much summarizes everything. BUT the caveat here is this should only be used as a 'rule of thumb' and also doesn't take into account a rebarreling:

"The Gewehr 88 or 1888 Commission Rifle was chambered for the 0.318" diameter 8x57I or 8x57IS cartridge.

The Gewehr 98 or G98 rifle from WW1 as wells as the 98a and 98b (Karabiner 98a and Karabiner 98b) were all chambered for the 0.323" diameter 8x57JS cartridge.

The K98 descended from the 98b in 1935 and was likewise chambered for 0.323" diameter cartridges and bullets. Assuming original or arsenal replacement barrel, it is most certainly 0.323"."
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#6604367 - 12/27/16 01:27 PM Re: 1905 8mm Mauser [Re: Big Stan]
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#6604391 - 12/27/16 01:51 PM Re: 1905 8mm Mauser [Re: Big Stan]
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I would probably steer clear of reloading this for this rifle if you are not experienced with this gun in particular. Like TDS stated, you have to be certain on what cartridge should be used, among other things. I have one of these and it doesn't get fired very often because ammo for it is difficult to get at a reasonable price. (which is probably why he asked you to reload for him) I would also be interested to see if the rifle has been modified or any parts have been replaced, which is a fairly common practice on these rifles and could cause you and the owner some headaches.

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#6604442 - 12/27/16 02:41 PM Re: 1905 8mm Mauser [Re: Big Stan]
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In all honesty, casting the chamber is the only 100% safe thing to do.

If its in 100% military configuration and is a 98 Mauser action (not a GEW 88) its probably safe if its not rusty or corroded, BUT, there are too many "ifs" and "buts" to worry about on this.


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#6604945 - 12/27/16 08:42 PM Re: 1905 8mm Mauser [Re: Big Stan]
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Look at Graf's for euro ammo. They import Privi directly and usualy the best source for this kind of stuff. I've used their brass in a 6.5x55 & 9.3x62 and never had a problem as it's better than current WW brass for sure, and about like Hornady for lengevity.

Take it to a GOOD gunsmith is the best advice you can get. Have him deep clean it, slug the barrel yadda yadda and HIM shoot it so you can see a piece of fired brass ** IF the gunsmith won't shoot it then it's game over & time to give it up as it's not worth fixing anything that is unsafe to shoot, BTDT on a nice 7x57 that had been sporterized and needed the barrel set back a couple threads ...that woulda cost double what I paid for the gun. The dealer took it back, set the barrel back on his dime, and sold it again for more money as he could prove that it was a safe shooter, meanwhile I bought a new Ruger 77 for the same total investment. Oh Well

If the gunsmiths fired brass looks OK then YOU then go shoot it in factory ammo for a box or two....and then & only then think about reloading for it. 8x57 is a good deer caliber.
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#6605422 - 12/28/16 10:25 AM Re: 1905 8mm Mauser [Re: Big Stan]
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Thanks folks for the advice. I recently was given an old rifle from my grandfather as well, I gave it a thorough cleaning and sold it. It was not worth it spending money on an old rifle, possibly worn tube, refinish and other variables plus gunsmith labor costs. Better off buying a new rifle.

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#6605860 - 12/28/16 03:48 PM Re: 1905 8mm Mauser [Re: Big Stan]
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The rifle sounds like a standard German Gew-98 battle rifle . One of the best ever made . To be sure, you need to post what it says on the left side and top of the receiver . If it is original it is a regular 8x57mm mauser ( 7.92 ), has a regular .323 groove barrel . Any US made 8x57mm ammo will be fine , all 7.92 surplus will be loaded hotter , but also fine . Shooting one is fine as well as selling it to a collector .

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#6605885 - 12/28/16 04:12 PM Re: 1905 8mm Mauser [Re: thedoveshooter]
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Originally Posted By: thedoveshooter
In all honesty, casting the chamber is the only 100% safe thing to do.

If its in 100% military configuration and is a 98 Mauser action (not a GEW 88) its probably safe if its not rusty or corroded, BUT, there are too many "ifs" and "buts" to worry about on this.


This, 'zactly. cheers

I've been loading for all my 8mm's for years. Have the rifle checked out by a competent 'smith first. I love my '96's, '98's, 24/47's and M48's. Hand loading the 8x57mm for them REALLY brings out the potential in these rifles. For the most part it's an accurate, hard hitting cartridge.
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#6605887 - 12/28/16 04:13 PM Re: 1905 8mm Mauser [Re: Big Stan]
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To each his own, but I wouldn't sell anything my GF gave me.

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#6605894 - 12/28/16 04:16 PM Re: 1905 8mm Mauser [Re: Cool Mo D]
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Originally Posted By: Cool Mo D
To each his own, but I wouldn't sell anything my GF gave me.


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#6606904 - 12/29/16 11:43 AM Re: 1905 8mm Mauser [Re: Big Stan]
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#6610342 - 12/31/16 11:09 PM Re: 1905 8mm Mauser [Re: poisonivie]
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