That's not really a point, if was then we should only be hunting 300gr bullets at the maximum velocity achievable

If you think it is how many people can't hit a nail straight with tack hammer much less a 6lb sledge. Point isn't to hit the nail it's to drive the nail. Reason why carpenters trades men use tack hammers to drive nails and not sledges

No such thing as margin of error being compensated by a bigger bullet. If people don't fill comfortable using a 223 don't use it, if they don't fill comfortable using a 30-06 don't do it. Use what you are confident with and legal and rock on.

There will always be guys that fill 0-5 tags a year telling guys that fill 6-100+ tags a year that they are clueless to how to kill a Texas white deer.

In my opinion when comparing other calibers you need to figure in the distance to the animal.
I've hunted with a .223 and distance would always be the main factor as to which gun I would grab and feel comfortable with.
Like Clint used to say, "you have to know your limitations!"

You should study history more. 30-30 pretty much killed every deer in most of Texas. We had to re stock them in most of the state because the 30-30 made it so easy. '06 was it's successor. And .222 was in fact every ranchers truck gun for decades in the highest pop areas.

22-250 hasn't killed nearly as many Texas deer as the .270 has. In fact, .270 is in the mix for top 3.

You know that NP has been slaughtered by facts when he throws his silly straw man statement out there. As predictable as the sun coming up.

By his "you have a better chance with less margin of error" argument we'd all be using 50 bmg. And there would certainly be no stick and string.

Thank you NP for providing us another enjoyable epic fail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpTBVDGFA0E

YEP. Good video

Head shot .... works every time.

Oh I know...But it makes me Giggle every time I watch it

Placement...
Placement....
Placement.....

222 = truth!! My favorite ol'doc @ the age of 90 still never leaves home with out it.

With that said modern day MLD programs have probably put 223 and 22-250 in the lead by now.. IMO

"You know that NP has been slaughtered by facts when he throws his silly straw man statement out there. As predictable as the sun coming up.

By his "you have a better chance with less margin of error" argument we'd all be using 50 bmg. And there would certainly be no stick and string.

Thank you NP for providing us another enjoyable epic fail."


I may move to a Spear and utilize a Rock and a Sling like a Caveman

Yea bobo it really is a point! Re-read the point on this one and you will see that he actually made a valid point for once! Believe me I know a 223, 22-250, 222, 22.....will kill deer DED dead!

Blah, blah, blah...

Don't respond to the facts, running heads and declare victory. As per usual...

Some of y'all make the fatal mistake of assuming everyone is as ignorant as you are.

or assume you're smarter than everyone else

Weird how a "223 for deer" thread could degenerate into such bitterness.

And such useless debate to boot.

Try saying you know farmers who make a good living and have free time

I don't think anyone is dead, from assuming that you are a hard headed ol fool that can't shoot worth a chit! So you think that the rest of us can't shoot! You don't need a cannon to kill a dang deer!

Well......all the farmers I know are wealthy!

Was on a lease for over 20 years. The people who owned the property hunted on it with us. The biggest gun they owned was a 243 and they never used it because they thought it was a cannon. They did all their hunting with 222 and 22 hornet. They thought we were insane for shooting 270's but like decent people minded their own business and let us shoot our cannons and we did the same.

I did, I'm not hitting a deer with blunt object to crush its shell. I'm putting a hole in a protected organ.

Thus why slaughter houses use spikes and not sledges. Pretty much his analogy. Sounds like a good example until someone actually breaks it down.

All he is going is trying to paint a very vivid picture to the jury to gain favor... his mental shock and awe picture is BS, his own true red herring . You have a better chance at living being hit with a 5lb sledge then you do with tack hammer. The force of the sledge is distributed over a larger surface area. The tack hammer will penetrate the skull and the sledge just crush the out side. Thus again why you use one to put a nail through a board and one to break joints.

Thus why you can shoot through steel with 22-250 and not a 30-06

I'd prefer neither, but given the choice I'd choose the tack hammer given the swing speed is the same

I would be to I be more likely dead and not just crippled and non functional.

Bono really! You shoot a deer in the same exact scenario with an 06 and a 223 then u know for a fact that the 06 has more boom! Not saying that the deer isn't just as dead with the 223 but the 06 is clearly superior in killing power, given every thing is the same

What he said....

I hammered you but that was yesterday.

I have to say this forum has provided great entertainment for me during my down time.

A .223 is perfect (in my opinion, for my deer). Max distance to shoot a deer would be 150 yards due to all the cedar. Won't damage as much meat as a larger round and can be shot just for fun at the range. How many people go plunkin around with the 25 or 30-06? (I dunno, might be the cool thing to do now days).

This kinda seems like a quality vs quantity discussion.