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#6572776 - 12/05/16 12:54 PM permit-less carry
fishfree Online   content
Bird Dog

Registered: 10/08/11
Posts: 361
Loc: west texas
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In Texas, the push is being spearheaded by state representative Jonathan Stickland (R-92nd) via HB 375. The text of HB 375 is clear: “Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary, a person who is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing a firearm shall not be required to obtain any license to carry a handgun as a condition for carrying a handgun.”


The 2nd Amendment
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


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Davis v. Wechsler , 263 US 22, 24. “Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them.”


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Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 426, 491; 86 S. Ct. 1603
"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no 'rule making' or legislation which would abrogate them."


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Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105
"No state shall convert a liberty into a license, and charge a fee therefore."


ABOUT TIME!

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#6572938 - 12/05/16 02:29 PM Re: permit-less carry [Re: fishfree]
Texasredneck70 Offline
Woodsman

Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 114
Loc: Little Elm, TX
Would be nice to save some money

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#6573043 - 12/05/16 03:36 PM Re: permit-less carry [Re: fishfree]
RedRanger Offline
Extreme Tracker

Registered: 09/07/04
Posts: 4705
Loc: Frisco, TX / Davao Philippines
I don't see Texas allowing constitutional carry, they want the fees and renewal fees.
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#6573162 - 12/05/16 04:38 PM Re: permit-less carry [Re: fishfree]
Marc in Bastrop Offline
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Registered: 11/02/10
Posts: 861
Loc: Bastrop County
Maybe someday, but think about how long it took just to get where we are now.....

Concealed carry in Texas has only been in place since the mid 90's if I recall correctly - which was 10-15 years after many other states. Heck, I had friends in California with concealed carry permits 20 years before Texas legalized it!

Now think about the fact that it took us an additional 20 years to get open carry rights here in Texas.

Marc
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#6576674 - 12/07/16 05:32 PM Re: permit-less carry [Re: fishfree]
piney woods hunter Offline
Tracker

Registered: 09/15/09
Posts: 761
Loc: east texas
main problem i see is texas giveing up permitt fee,s. but is happening i think 12 states now have permittless carry
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#6576676 - 12/07/16 05:35 PM Re: permit-less carry [Re: fishfree]
piney woods hunter Offline
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Registered: 09/15/09
Posts: 761
Loc: east texas
marc they said never to concelded in texas and also to open so there is a hope,but i think it will be a few seassions and a few more states ahead of us,
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#6577159 - 12/08/16 06:48 AM Re: permit-less carry [Re: fishfree]
HWY_MAN Offline
THF Celebrity

Registered: 05/25/06
Posts: 26158
Loc: Howard County
Good thing is the LT Governor is behind this also.
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#6578485 - 12/08/16 09:33 PM Re: permit-less carry [Re: fishfree]
Jkd106 Offline
Pro Tracker

Registered: 08/20/13
Posts: 1465
Loc: Fannin and Hall
I agree it will be about the fees
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#6578550 - 12/08/16 10:36 PM Re: permit-less carry [Re: fishfree]
Tikka270wsm Offline
Woodsman

Registered: 01/11/07
Posts: 116
Loc: Houston
Was always about the fees.The BS part is we pay a tax to be able to use our constitutional right.

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#6579601 - 12/09/16 04:06 PM Re: permit-less carry [Re: fishfree]
JYG71 Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 09/02/16
Posts: 87
Loc: North Texas
oh the stuff dreams are made of, hopefully in my lifetime constitutional carry will be allowed.
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#6581308 - 12/10/16 08:12 PM Re: permit-less carry [Re: fishfree]
Deerhunter61 Online   content
THF Trophy Hunter

Registered: 08/27/08
Posts: 6951
Loc: DFW
I believe that there needs to be something in place that requires anyone who wants to carry to be proficient, or at least have a clue, with how to handle a firearm.

When my wife and I went thru the class it was mind-numbing how many in the class had never fired a firearm and frankly it was obvious when we went to the range and they tried to load a fire the weapon.

These are the guys that would be allowed to carry without any oversight? Back in the day our Dad's taught us firearm safety, at least mine taught me. Nowadays most children grow up in a fatherless home with no one there to teach them gun safety and how to shoot. If you have ever been to a public range you will see these guys and girls trying to figure things out of their own pointing their weapon at everyone etc.

And you want to allow them to carry? It is our right to own and bear arms but society is different now. Just like there is now hunters ed there needs to be firearms ed as well before people should be allowed to carry.

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#6582062 - 12/11/16 02:02 PM Re: permit-less carry [Re: fishfree]
tehachapi Offline
Woodsman

Registered: 03/18/13
Posts: 209
Loc: Harris County
How about passing a law that states everyone must carry a weapon. Have mandatory firearms training in high school. Then charge a fee to not carry one. Problem of fees solved.

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#6588292 - 12/15/16 12:18 PM Re: permit-less carry [Re: fishfree]
DesertHunting Offline
Veteran Tracker

Registered: 01/06/12
Posts: 2010
Loc: Terrell County - Sanderson
Who does the federal constitution regulate? Not the people...

The federal government. Meaning the federal government can't make laws prohibiting your right to carry or own fire arms.

Your right to own and carry firearms is not just a 2A right but also a 10A right. Anything not relegated to the federal government is reserved to the states or the people.

In Texas we have constitutional carry.

Texas State Constitution
Sec. 23. RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.

"No one is sayin you can't own a gun. NO one is saying you can't carry a gun. You just can't carry a gun..." without a license.

This right is reserved to the state and the state is well within the confines of the federal constitution to do so.

History teachers have done a huge disservice to America by not teaching the constitution correctly and our SC is proof.

Until the Texas Constitution is changed, we can cry 2A all we want, it means nothing.
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#6596213 - 12/20/16 10:58 PM Re: permit-less carry [Re: DesertHunting]
vanguard Online   content
Veteran Tracker

Registered: 01/11/10
Posts: 3313
Originally Posted By: DesertHunting
Who does the federal constitution regulate? Not the people...

The federal government. Meaning the federal government can't make laws prohibiting your right to carry or own fire arms.

Your right to own and carry firearms is not just a 2A right but also a 10A right. Anything not relegated to the federal government is reserved to the states or the people.

In Texas we have constitutional carry.

Texas State Constitution
Sec. 23. RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.



wrong wrong wrong. whats not spefically in the constitution and not given to the feds is reserved to the states. the 2nd is specifally stated in the constitution just as the 1st, the state has no right regulating or requiring a license to speak freely and has no right to regulate your right to carry either.
whats in the constitution is off limits to the feds and to the states
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#6596359 - 12/21/16 06:12 AM Re: permit-less carry [Re: fishfree]
DesertHunting Offline
Veteran Tracker

Registered: 01/06/12
Posts: 2010
Loc: Terrell County - Sanderson
Hate to tell you this, but you have no idea how to read the constitution.

Read the preamble to the bill of rights. It states that the limits are for the FEDERAL government.

Only four states do not have a 2A mirror in their state constitution, all 46 others have regulations concerning the keeping and bearing of arms. The only reason why Chicagos hand gun ban was ruled unconstitutional by the SC was that it exceeded the state constitution and completely did away with both keeping and bearing. The Keller decision was ruled on the constitutional provision that Washington DC is FEDERAL territory, they are not a state. If I am wrong, then every state that has CHL is in violation of the constitution and you should file a brief with the SC...you won't get far. Not because of politics, but because I'm right...there is no jurisdiction for the federal government where the regulating of arms does not remove the right to keep and bear.

Too much weight has been given to the federal government that was never intended.
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Longfellow Ranch
Wildlife Manager
steve.valentine@longfellowranch.com

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