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Your thoughts on the 6.5 Grendel? #6562688 11/28/16 10:49 PM
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Just doing some research, and need some input. What do you guys think about this caliber? It seems to me that it's a fine choice for an AR set up, and that's what I'm looking for. Hunting mostly, but occasional distance shooting. Already have a nice .308 in a bolt gun, but was thinking of getting a new AR in a round I don't own. I like that it is lower recoil, so my boy could shoot it if needed, and it seems have both distance and accuracy going for it, from what I read online. I reload, so the ammo isn't a big concern (i am aware brass is a little high $).

Appreciate any help on this matter.

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Can't go wrong with 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC for an AR round

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IMO the Grendel is very good little round, liked it so much in the AR that had a bolt action built in it last year.

Don't worry much about brass cost since the number of loads per case is more than many other rounds 10+ with Hornady brass and up to 20 with Lapua brass. A lot of that brass life comes from using brass capable of 60K psi loads yet most load to 50K psi in part to the diameter and stress on AR actions from that size case.

Trajectory is very similar to the 308 you already have, with recoil that is very light.


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The Grendel is a great choice for what you are describing. You'll definitely enjoy it.


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It is built to do exactly what you want.

As far as target shooting at distance, we've ran them out to 800 yards many times. The 6.8 SPC has a great following, especially as a hunting cartridge inside 300 yards. But it won't go as far as the 6.5 Grendel will go, if you want to shoot long range.


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I'm curious as to how heavy a bullet I could expect to fit in the Howa Mini-action's ten-shot detachable magazine. - I'm hoping to run 140's without having to cram them way down into the powder space, if possible.

6.5 bullets tend to be longish for the weight, which is good as long as it fits in the magazine.


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Why run 140's without enough fuel behind them to get them up to speed?

130 AR Hybrids is what I've wanted to experiment with in the Grendel.


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I feel like since the Grendel shines past 300 yards, there are some on this forum who would consider it "unsportsmanlike".

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Originally Posted By: Tim9880
I feel like since the Grendel shines past 300 yards, there are some on this forum who would consider it "unsportsmanlike".

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Buy one and be done with needing another "hunting" AR! Shoot the 123s and you are ready to go.


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Originally Posted By: Tim9880
I feel like since the Grendel shines past 300 yards, there are some on this forum who would consider it "unsportsmanlike".


I wouldn't use it on medium game much past 300. You do need enough energy and muzzle velocity at impact for the bullet to reliably expand and penetrate the vitals.



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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Why run 140's without enough fuel behind them to get them up to speed?

130 AR Hybrids is what I've wanted to experiment with in the Grendel.


Those and the 129gr Accubond LR work very well in the Grendel

Or if you might want something with a pretty good BC and can get some speed from look at the 107gr Serria match king at 2900 fps


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Awesome info, thanks to all. Is 18" barrel enough? I'll be running a can and every inch I can spare will be nice. Better to buy an Alexander Arms complete rifle, or buy an upper and lower separately? Never done that. If so, what barrel, or upper, and any recommendations on lower? Thanks again

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I have only shot paper and steel, but my 1:8 barrel likes 120 grain noslers.

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18 inch barrel is enough and go with a 1:8 twist. As to barrel if going for the best accuracy you can get from it I would order either a Bartlein or Lilja with an Alexander Arms hard use bolt and carrier group.

There are getting to be more and more companies building Grendel ARs. AA makes some good ones and offers uppers for your lower as well. Precision Firearms I keep hearing great things about as well pricey but supposed to be very good. They also offer a pretty large assortment of ammo for the Grendel.

On a different note Federal is bringing out another Grendel ammo offering soon.


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I got a Radical Arms 6.5 G upper and some 123g Hornady Match Amax. Turned out to be a great shooter.


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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Why run 140's without enough fuel behind them to get them up to speed?

130 AR Hybrids is what I've wanted to experiment with in the Grendel.


The 6.5 Grendel is in many ways similar in capability to the venerable 6.5x54 that has been popular in Europe and Africa for many decades with 140 and 160 grain bullets, at 30-30 velocity and range. It is in fact the European equivalent to what we do with the 30-30 here in the states, tossing heavy bullets at moderate velocity for hunting at 100-150 yards or so from light, handy rifles like this elegant Mannlicher with a 17" barrel:



The case capacity of the Grendel is smaller - but it runs at higher pressure and so is capable of closely matching the 6.5x54's performance.

I believe the Howa min-action could be laid in a nice walnut stock and so give us a modern equivalent to the rifle pictured above. - IF the magazine is capable of handling the heavier projectiles. Now that your curiosity has been satisfied, how about some useful information?

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Originally Posted By: scottfromdallas
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I feel like since the Grendel shines past 300 yards, there are some on this forum who would consider it "unsportsmanlike".


I wouldn't use it on medium game much past 300. You do need enough energy and muzzle velocity at impact for the bullet to reliably expand and penetrate the vitals.


Some of us have trouble differentiating between target shooting and hunting. It is nice to hear from someone who can.

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Here's some useful information.

Putting 140's in the case is reducing performance from what it can do with 130 gr or the 123 grain bullets. They are going to be so slow that they produce LESS energy.


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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Here's some useful information.

Putting 140's in the case is reducing performance from what it can do with 130 gr or the 123 grain bullets. They are going to be so slow that they produce LESS energy.


I have my doubts about that. Less velocity, but that does not necessarily translate into less energy with the heavier bullet. - Unless you are trying to shoot it through an AR of course, where the heavier bullets would have to be seated very deeply in order to go through a magazine designed and intended for the .223.

More useful would be the cartridge length that the Howa magazine can accommodate. - The one that I asked about. If it's no better than an AR, then it would be useless for what I have in mind, and I'll have to look at other bolt actions for a better fit.

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I'm pretty sure the Grendel was a purpose built AR round, sure you can load longer in a bolt action if it accommodates such (mag and chamber) but I'd say 90% of Grendels produced thus far are AR platforms with ammo loaded for that COAL.

If your shooting a 140 grain load then yes your going to have a slower muzzle velocity than lighter weight loadings but if it is working for your purpose then I doubt the energy difference inside of 300 yards is enough to negate use all together of said 140gr loads.

An example I can give from another caliber is 30 Remington AR, it has 115 grain, 125 grain, and 150 grain factory loads - I decided to try a bonded 165 grain bullet for pig hunting , while slower is has proven to be quite effective - so long as you find a bullet than performs at slower velocity the animals will continue to drop.

Again Grendel rocks - I call it a laser beam round - any weight will reach out there and touch something and leave a formidable bite , have fun experimenting!


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I realize there are other sources, but a glance at MidwayUSA says bullets and brass for both are almost identical.



I have a 6.8 but have no delusions that once you get past 250-300 yards the 6.5 is the better choice. I would like to shoot one sometime and see how it performs.


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