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#6557831 - 11/24/16 08:53 PM What's with New Mexico's goofy seasons?
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I'm up here in NM this week with family and hanging out with some fellow hunters. We were trying to make heads or tails of this state's odd seasons. No matter how hard we tried, we can't make sense of it.

Basically, if you are fortunate enough to draw a tag, it's only good for 5 specific days. And those days typically run Saturday to the following Wednesday. Of course everyone else will with the same tag will also be hunting those same dates. Seems to me that this places an intense amount of pressure on the animals during that time. And with only 5 days to hunt it encourages hunters to take what they can get when they can get it, rather than being selective. Mule Deer does are not allowed in any season in most units. Yet there seems to be an inordinate number of does compared to bucks. This model seems to be applied to all species; Mule Deer, White-tail & Elk, among others. They even regulate Audad (Barbary Sheep), Oryx, Ibex and other exotics. This is extremely foreign and makes no sense to me at all. It seems totally contrary to good management practices. In fact, I think it encourages the taking of young animals and poaching (which seems to be an issue here).

Even privately land has to abide by these goofy season limits. Does anyone here have a reasonable explanation for it? I'd love to hear something that makes sense.
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#6557891 - 11/24/16 09:51 PM Re: What's with New Mexico's goofy seasons? [Re: LandPirate]
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You need to talk to someone in Santa Fe, that will be a waste of time.
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#6557911 - 11/24/16 10:06 PM Re: What's with New Mexico's goofy seasons? [Re: dogcatcher]
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Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
You need to talk to someone in Santa Fe, that will be a waste of time.


Precisely why I didn't. Thought I'd tap into the collective bank of wisdom known as the THF. roflmao
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#6557915 - 11/24/16 10:11 PM Re: What's with New Mexico's goofy seasons? [Re: LandPirate]
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Originally Posted By: LandPirate
Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
You need to talk to someone in Santa Fe, that will be a waste of time.


Precisely why I didn't. Thought I'd tap into the collective bank of wisdom known as the THF. roflmao
I think BuckRage just hunted in NM he may be of some help
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#6557923 - 11/24/16 10:21 PM Re: What's with New Mexico's goofy seasons? [Re: LandPirate]
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#6557926 - 11/24/16 10:23 PM Re: What's with New Mexico's goofy seasons? [Re: LandPirate]
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We've been scouting all week for cow elk in Unit 36, which opens Saturday. Never had so much trouble finding cows. Conversely I've found 3 tremendous bulls and one heck of a mulie buck. All off limits, of course.

Next year I'm going for the Mescalero Apache Reservation hunt. I ain't foolin' with the NM Game & Fish nonsense again.
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#6557951 - 11/24/16 11:23 PM Re: What's with New Mexico's goofy seasons? [Re: LandPirate]
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Where are you looking for cows.....should be am easy hunt. I can help if you are having toruble.
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#6557962 - 11/25/16 12:02 AM Re: What's with New Mexico's goofy seasons? [Re: LandPirate]
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I don't sponsor crazy states like NM. Look for Mulie Mike here on the forum, and he can get you an ELK hunting TEXAS free range wild elk. NO HIGH FENCE.

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#6558002 - 11/25/16 06:19 AM Re: What's with New Mexico's goofy seasons? [Re: LandPirate]
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Watch those Feather Heads Mike...

Make sure to color within the lines to a Tee Amigo...


Tonto's still mad at the Lone Ranger roflmao rofl
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#6558127 - 11/25/16 08:38 AM Re: What's with New Mexico's goofy seasons? [Re: SniperRAB]
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Originally Posted By: SniperRAB
Watch those Feather Heads Mike...

Make sure to color within the lines to a Tee Amigo...


Tonto's still mad at the Lone Ranger roflmao rofl


I got's me tommyhawk. I'll clip them feathers.
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#6558135 - 11/25/16 08:45 AM Re: What's with New Mexico's goofy seasons? [Re: Texas Tatonkas]
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Originally Posted By: Texas Tatonkas
Where are you looking for cows.....should be am easy hunt. I can help if you are having toruble.


My brother is a resident of Ruidoso. Back in Oct. he was bear hunting and seeing elk everywhere. We went back to the areas he was seeing them in bear season. Nothing but crickets now. He's got a cow tag for next week's resident only antlerless elk season, so we were scouting for locations. Crazy, because we had no trouble finding bulls and mule deer. Never laid eyes on a cow.

But that's not what this post is about.

My question is why does NMGF reduce all these seasons to 5 days only? It makes no sense from any sort of management perspective. Seems counter-productive to me.
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#6558144 - 11/25/16 08:49 AM Re: What's with New Mexico's goofy seasons? [Re: cazador1022]
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Originally Posted By: cazador1022
I don't sponsor crazy states like NM. Look for Mulie Mike here on the forum, and he can get you an ELK hunting TEXAS free range wild elk. NO HIGH FENCE.


I love high fences. But he's right, if you want free range elk (big ones), Texas has tons of them in the trans pecos region now. Plenty of ranches offer hunts. And no ridiculous regs. or featherheads.

It's what private ownership can do.... cheers
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#6558159 - 11/25/16 08:55 AM Re: What's with New Mexico's goofy seasons? [Re: LandPirate]
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Originally Posted By: LandPirate
Originally Posted By: Texas Tatonkas
Where are you looking for cows.....should be am easy hunt. I can help if you are having toruble.


My brother is a resident of Ruidoso. Back in Oct. he was bear hunting and seeing elk everywhere. We went back to the areas he was seeing them in bear season. Nothing but crickets now. He's got a cow tag for next week's resident only antlerless elk season, so we were scouting for locations. Crazy, because we had no trouble finding bulls and mule deer. Never laid eyes on a cow.

But that's not what this post is about.

My question is why does NMGF reduce all these seasons to 5 days only? It makes no sense from any sort of management perspective. Seems counter-productive to me.


Wait. You're expecting govt run hunting on govt land to make any semblance of sense? You're killin me.


Edited by therancher (11/25/16 08:56 AM)
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#6558166 - 11/25/16 08:57 AM Re: What's with New Mexico's goofy seasons? [Re: LandPirate]
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Rancher, I agree. A bunch of the ranchers out here in NM need to challenge the G&F and change these antiquated regs.
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#6558181 - 11/25/16 09:06 AM Re: What's with New Mexico's goofy seasons? [Re: LandPirate]
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Originally Posted By: LandPirate
Rancher, I agree. A bunch of the ranchers out here in NM need to challenge the G&F and change these antiquated regs.


The problem is that the fed owns most of the land. The ranchers are just the tenants in most cases. Even if you own private land in NM the state controls your tags and instead of giving YOU {the landowner) the right to manage, they get all in your business.

I know a guy who owns awesome pronghorn land in the eastern part of the state who the state essentially blackmailed by restricting his tags if he didn't let the public have access to hunt his private property.
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