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#6556657 - 11/23/16 08:48 PM Semi-Custom Build vs Full Custom Build
BobG Offline


Registered: 02/23/09
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I sold a Tikka T3 about a year ago, which I was planning to do a semi-custom build with, but I just HAD to have something else at the time... bang

Anyway... I was looking to buy another stainless 308 Tikka T3, but want to put it in a Manners T4A stock, replace the barrel, put some decent bottom metal on, add an extended magazine, and thread the bolt.

I know that many of you have T3's that range from out of the box to full custom builds. For those of you who have done semi-custom builds, is this something that makes sense financially? Having to buy the gun, buying all of the replacement parts, and having someone do all of the work....or is it a smarter move to do a full custom build through a maker?

New territory for me here, so share away!
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#6556673 - 11/23/16 08:55 PM Re: Semi-Custom Build vs Full Custom Build [Re: BobG]
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I would like to know this also. I have been debating on having a custom .308 built for about 2 months.
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#6556697 - 11/23/16 09:12 PM Re: Semi-Custom Build vs Full Custom Build [Re: BobG]
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My rifles are a colletion of parts. Parts that I like. The exact same brands and models of parts used on "full custom builds", except the actions. Great barrels, CDI or Badger Ordinance bottom metal, Manners or McMillian stocks, A.I. mags. Only difference is that I didn't spend $1000-$2000 on the action. Instead I spent $550 on two Tikkas, and $450 on a Rem 700.

Those actions house the trigger, take a cartridge out of the mag, chamber it, lock it, shoot it, eject it, repeat.

The two Tikkas leave me nothing to complain about, after thousands of rounds. One just got a barrel replaced. Thats like the brand new truck you bought, just got a new set of tires, and a full service, after 50,000 miles.
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#6556699 - 11/23/16 09:13 PM Re: Semi-Custom Build vs Full Custom Build [Re: BobG]
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Go to the Trading Post part of this site and then the Firearms section. Look for the post fron Chad about semi custom rifles, custom loads and 1 on 1 instruction all rolled into one package, you will not find a better package than this. P_102
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#6556741 - 11/23/16 09:40 PM Re: Semi-Custom Build vs Full Custom Build [Re: BobG]
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What I did...as a 'newbie', I bought a Rem 700 ADL on sale for $325, out of 8 different factory loads it shot just over an inch with green/yellow box Remington's. Replaced the trigger w/ a Timney, full aluminum chasis stock from Hogue (cheap and not the best) and had local smith true the action and lap the barrel....now about $850 invested...took the gun to Chad (Custom Reloads of Dallas) and he built loads that shoot 1/2 MOA, (for him, I'm still learning but have shot .28 in 3 shots....best 5 shot group is .74). I have really liked taking a stock rifle and being 'involved' in transforming it into a real shooter...but maybe that's just me.
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#6556744 - 11/23/16 09:46 PM Re: Semi-Custom Build vs Full Custom Build [Re: BobG]
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Here's how I look at it. A Tikka T3 runs about $450 (blued) to $550 ish (stainless). They shoot good out of the box. But unscrew the factory barrel and chamber up a custom barrel for about $800-$900 (barrel and gunsmithing), and I'll guarantee less than 1/2 moa accuracy! A full custom rifle can not touch those kind of results for that price.

IMO, a Tikka rifle action based off of a build is a great start. They have a great trigger (tuneable by a gunsmith), decent stock, decent bottom metal, and with a heavier barrel, can easily shoot sub 1/2 moa with a tuned load. I have completed multiple rifles that shoot sub 1/2 moa.

http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/6549098/Re:_Custom_Tikka_Rifle_build-_#top
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#6556745 - 11/23/16 09:46 PM Re: Semi-Custom Build vs Full Custom Build [Re: BobG]
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Originally Posted By: BobG
I sold a Tikka T3 about a year ago, which I was planning to do a semi-custom build with, but I just HAD to have something else at the time... bang

Anyway... I was looking to buy another stainless 308 Tikka T3, but want to put it in a Manners T4A stock, replace the barrel, put some decent bottom metal on, add an extended magazine, and thread the bolt.

I know that many of you have T3's that range from out of the box to full custom builds. For those of you who have done semi-custom builds, is this something that makes sense financially? Having to buy the gun, buying all of the replacement parts, and having someone do all of the work....or is it a smarter move to do a full custom build through a maker?

New territory for me here, so share away!



I've done both and very much in line with you

Unless you go with a big name in custom rifles and you end up selling , you will lose some. There are many small time gunsmiths that can build a gun that will outshoot some big names. Some are gunsmiths with skills and some are gun plumbers that use fancy marketing to hook you.

You yourself can price out most things, just plan on the custom action costing twice as much as a factory or redone factory action.

My tikka build shot better than my stiller build if that helps. They weren't quite apples to apples but close

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#6556761 - 11/23/16 10:07 PM Re: Semi-Custom Build vs Full Custom Build [Re: BobG]
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Financially I think it always makes sense to buy a factory gun and use the action for the custom build. Personally, I could never justify spending all that money for a custom action. I love Tikka and Savage actions, they are great to build off.
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#6556777 - 11/23/16 10:20 PM Re: Semi-Custom Build vs Full Custom Build [Re: Gone to Texas]
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Originally Posted By: Gone to Texas
Financially I think it always makes sense to buy a factory gun and use the action for the custom build. Personally, I could never justify spending all that money for a custom action. I love Tikka and Savage actions, they are great to build off.


Agree with this. I've been very happy with my r700 semi custom and would like to add a Tikka semi-custom to the collection in a few years.

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#6556790 - 11/23/16 10:27 PM Re: Semi-Custom Build vs Full Custom Build [Re: BobG]
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Some of the best gun-related $ Ive spent was to send a Rem700 action to Krieger for a basic truing and installation of barrel. Most accurate gun I own.

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#6556843 - 11/24/16 12:23 AM Re: Semi-Custom Build vs Full Custom Build [Re: BobG]
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Since you are in the DFW area I highly recommend you spend a day shooting with FiremanJG at his class north of McKinney -- even if you don't plan on shooting long range you will walk away being a better shot at traditional shooting distances PLUS you will learn a whole lot about rifles and builds (he's also a helluva good guy). With his guidance I have completed 3 semi customs based on tikkas. He and Chad have quite a bit of experience building off tikka actions and Chad is dead on about taking a 1 MOA tikka out of the box to one that is sub 1/2 moa (if not better) given the right gunsmith screws it all together. To maximize this potential you'll need to handload or get custom ammo (Chad can hook you up)

From a financial standpoint, here are some ballpark numbers:

At minimum you will need action, custom barrel, and gunsmith

Tikka T3 for donor action -- new for $498 on http://www.eurooptic.com
Barrel (bartlein, Brux, krieger etc) -- $340 on http://bugholes.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=88_89
Gunsmithing - $300-500

Upgrade to after market stock, bottom metal and magazine?
McMillan A3 (in inventory) - $550 https://mcmillanusa.com/product/6205-a3-tikka-t3/ or Game Scout (inlet ready in stock https://mcmillanusa.com/product/game-scout-custom-inlet/
CDI bottom metal - $ 209 http://www.cdiprecisiongunworksstore.com/tikka-t3-short-action-dbm/
AI Magazine - $75 http://www.cdiprecisiongunworksstore.com/accuracy-international-5-round-308-aics-magazine/
(Personally I'd buy the tikka ctr bottom metal and trg22 magazines off eBay if you can find them)

Add a pic rail, upgraded bolt shroud, custom bolt knob? Check out glades armory, atlasworx

TIKKA T3 action 280 Ackley Improved -- shoots 1/8 MOA
Bartlein 5r barrel 3b contour finished at 25" spiral fluted by horizon firearms
McMillan Game Scout
CDI bottom metal
Mountain Tactical Gen2 20 MOA pic rail
Atlasworks bolt shroud and knob




TIKKA CTR T3x action in 6.5 Creedmoor -- shoots about 1/4 MOA
Bartlein 5r barrel Rem Varm contour 26"
McMillan A3
Factory CTR bottom metal and trg22 magazine
Glades armory bolt knob




TIKKA CTR T3 .308 -- shoots 1/8 moa
Factory barrel
McMillan A3 Edge fill
Factory bottom metal
Cerakoted multicam black


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#6556990 - 11/24/16 07:29 AM Re: Semi-Custom Build vs Full Custom Build [Re: P_102]
colt45 Offline
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Registered: 08/19/06
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Loc: bastrop county
Originally Posted By: P_102
What I did...as a 'newbie', I bought a Rem 700 ADL on sale for $325, out of 8 different factory loads it shot just over an inch with green/yellow box Remington's. Replaced the trigger w/ a Timney, full aluminum chasis stock from Hogue (cheap and not the best) and had local smith true the action and lap the barrel....now about $850 invested...took the gun to Chad (Custom Reloads of Dallas) and he built loads that shoot 1/2 MOA, (for him, I'm still learning but have shot .28 in 3 shots....best 5 shot group is .74). I have really liked taking a stock rifle and being 'involved' in transforming it into a real shooter...but maybe that's just me.
or you could buy a Savage, buy shelf ammo and achieve the same results, I have pic of savage .308 150gr rem coreloct .256 four shots
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#6557086 - 11/24/16 09:16 AM Re: Semi-Custom Build vs Full Custom Build [Re: BobG]
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For the cost of a custom action; you can build a semi-custom on a Rem, Savage, Tikka or Win. The decision was easy for me.
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#6557161 - 11/24/16 09:49 AM Re: Semi-Custom Build vs Full Custom Build [Re: colt45]
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Loc: Metroplex
Originally Posted By: colt45
Originally Posted By: P_102
What I did...as a 'newbie', I bought a Rem 700 ADL on sale for $325, out of 8 different factory loads it shot just over an inch with green/yellow box Remington's. Replaced the trigger w/ a Timney, full aluminum chasis stock from Hogue (cheap and not the best) and had local smith true the action and lap the barrel....now about $850 invested...took the gun to Chad (Custom Reloads of Dallas) and he built loads that shoot 1/2 MOA, (for him, I'm still learning but have shot .28 in 3 shots....best 5 shot group is .74). I have really liked taking a stock rifle and being 'involved' in transforming it into a real shooter...but maybe that's just me.
or you could buy a Savage, buy shelf ammo and achieve the same results, I have pic of savage .308 150gr rem coreloct .256 four shots


Sussssh .256 four shots?....I did same with a remmy but will raise you plus one to 5 shots smile

We got lucky and didn't get guns built on Friday. If every savage, remmy, tika etc did that we wouldn't have custom makers and aftermarket barrels. I will say machining tolarences have gotten really good over the last decade on production rifles and sub MOA production rifle are become more the norm then the one offs. Same goes with anmmo mfg's.

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#6557203 - 11/24/16 10:05 AM Re: Semi-Custom Build vs Full Custom Build [Re: BobG]
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Buy a Tikka sell the stock and bottom metal for 75-$100 . Watch the classifieds on all the forums especially Snipers hide you can usually find a used stock with bottom metal included for way cheaper than new. Order a good cut rifled barrel and find a good gunsmith to do the work and you won't regret using a Tikka action. I am more than happy with mine. Now to start on a lighter weight sporter type rifle. This is what I did with a lefty Tikka action it turned out very well .


Edited by Cattleman (11/24/16 12:53 PM)

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