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#6555112 - 11/22/16 07:39 PM This was kinda weird...
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Went to the local indoor range to sight it my rifle today. It's an 85 yard range. Used a lead sled to sight it in. Put 2 rounds touching exactly in the middle of the bullseye. Shot 4 rounds to get it sighted in, and I'm very confident that it was properly zeroed. Then I pulled out the .22 to shoot a couple rounds. Pulled the .308 back out to shoot from just a front rest and shot around 20 rounds. They were all 3 inches low and an inch or so left roughly. About a 2-3" total group. I kept thinking it was me pulling shots until I had shot enough rounds that I knew it wasn't just me being a mediocre shot. I adjusted the scope 3" up and 1" right, and put 2 in the bull. Why would it be so far off going from a sled to a front rest?
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#6555122 - 11/22/16 07:45 PM Re: This was kinda weird... [Re: Tff caribou]
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Not free floating? Pressure on the front of the stock different in each application
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#6555124 - 11/22/16 07:45 PM Re: This was kinda weird... [Re: Tff caribou]
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The lead sled doesn't allow the gun to recoil as it would off your shoulder alone. P_102
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#6555126 - 11/22/16 07:47 PM Re: This was kinda weird... [Re: Tff caribou]
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Because lead sleds are evil, and make rifles shoot in crazy places different from where they will when the rifle is on the shoulder of a shooter.

This very thing happened last week when a buddy was zeroing his wife's rifle from a sled. I said watch this, took the rifle out of the sled, and shot it twice at 100 yard paper. Same thing, the zero when shooting it out of then sled was way different. This is why I say to turn lead sleds into scrap metal unless you're going to hunt with the rifle in the sled.
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#6555129 - 11/22/16 07:48 PM Re: This was kinda weird... [Re: Tff caribou]
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Different hold and different pressure applied to various areas on the stock. Not an uncommon occurrence with some firearms.

We do load workup with a bench rest. I want all of the variables removed as possible. But after that, we zero the rifles with a set of shooting sticks that we are going to use in the field. On some rifles it makes a difference, and others not so much.
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#6555134 - 11/22/16 07:51 PM Re: This was kinda weird... [Re: Tff caribou]
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Ok. Thank you very much guys. I really thought I was going crazy. I feel a lot better about it now.
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#6555153 - 11/22/16 08:04 PM Re: This was kinda weird... [Re: Tff caribou]
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Fireman is right. Lead sleds suck.

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#6555325 - 11/22/16 10:36 PM Re: This was kinda weird... [Re: Tff caribou]
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Caribou, were you at defender shooting center?

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#6555372 - 11/23/16 12:09 AM Re: This was kinda weird... [Re: Tff caribou]
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Surprised so many people don't like the lead sled, I enjoy mine. It's a little awkward to shoot from, but I haven't had any zero issues. I shoot from trigger sticks usually though, so maybe that's why?

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#6555472 - 11/23/16 07:12 AM Re: This was kinda weird... [Re: cxjcherokec]
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Caribou, were you at defender shooting center?


Yep. What an awesome facility. My boss shoots there a lot. It's the only range with a decent length rifle range open late. But it was pricy. $25 range fee for the rifle range is double what other places charge, but it's a really nice facility. They have the machines that will run your targets out to whatever range you want them, and a camera on the 85 yard targets so you can see your bullet holes.
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#6555477 - 11/23/16 07:17 AM Re: This was kinda weird... [Re: Tff caribou]
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Was shooting a buddies rifle once he put a few rounds down range and offered it to me to shoot a few rounds so I did. I shot three rounds in a pretty decent group that were a few inches low and left of his. I think its differences in eyes and how you hold the gun.
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#6555487 - 11/23/16 07:29 AM Re: This was kinda weird... [Re: Tff caribou]
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I guide alot and most of the hunters I guide only take the rifle out of the safe once a year when they show up to hunt. For a quick check of zero and to help take the error away form the shooter the rest works. In 10 years never seen anyone have enough POI change to make me question the sled. But I don't disagree that the rifle shoots different from a sled vs the shoulder pocket.
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#6555490 - 11/23/16 07:33 AM Re: This was kinda weird... [Re: Tff caribou]
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Originally Posted By: Tff caribou
Originally Posted By: cxjcherokec
Caribou, were you at defender shooting center?


Yep. What an awesome facility. My boss shoots there a lot. It's the only range with a decent length rifle range open late. But it was pricy. $25 range fee for the rifle range is double what other places charge, but it's a really nice facility. They have the machines that will run your targets out to whatever range you want them, and a camera on the 85 yard targets so you can see your bullet holes.


It has all of that, and $25 is expensive?

Wow!
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#6555502 - 11/23/16 07:48 AM Re: This was kinda weird... [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: Tff caribou
Originally Posted By: cxjcherokec
Caribou, were you at defender shooting center?


Yep. What an awesome facility. My boss shoots there a lot. It's the only range with a decent length rifle range open late. But it was pricy. $25 range fee for the rifle range is double what other places charge, but it's a really nice facility. They have the machines that will run your targets out to whatever range you want them, and a camera on the 85 yard targets so you can see your bullet holes.


It has all of that, and $25 is expensive?

Wow!


I guess not really. I just didn't check their prices before I went. All I knew was it was an 85 yard rifle range. The extra amenities were unexpected.
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#6555739 - 11/23/16 10:25 AM Re: This was kinda weird... [Re: Tff caribou]
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85yd rifle range is weird to me.
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