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#6554440 - 11/22/16 11:08 AM Surgeon vs defiance
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Piecing together a bolt gun and looking at these two manufacturers for an action, but I have no experience with either. Anyone have some first hand experience you wouldn't mind sharing?

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#6554485 - 11/22/16 11:34 AM Re: Surgeon vs defiance [Re: 68A]
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Both are top of the line..
I LOVE my 6.5 with the Defiance Deviant


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#6554488 - 11/22/16 11:35 AM Re: Surgeon vs defiance [Re: 68A]
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Is that McMillan camo?

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#6554489 - 11/22/16 11:36 AM Re: Surgeon vs defiance [Re: 68A]
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Investigate the extractor design of each.
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#6554508 - 11/22/16 11:53 AM Re: Surgeon vs defiance [Re: 68A]
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What about the Curtis?
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#6554511 - 11/22/16 11:56 AM Re: Surgeon vs defiance [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
What about the Curtis?


Gonna go a different route.

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#6554514 - 11/22/16 11:59 AM Re: Surgeon vs defiance [Re: 68A]
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yes it is the McMillan camo
I have another one coming, A3 Sporter in McMillan desert camo for a project..
17" lightweight 7mm08 threaded barrel from McGowen with the action out of a lightweight hunter.
Going to be a slick little hunting rifle
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#6554521 - 11/22/16 12:04 PM Re: Surgeon vs defiance [Re: FiremanJG]
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What are you saying or implying here? I am curious because my BIL has a Defiance and was seeing some brass neck flattening issues. I have a Stiller and like it. the Defiance is definitely a tighter smoother action but its also about 500.00 more!

Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Investigate the extractor design of each.
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#6554532 - 11/22/16 12:13 PM Re: Surgeon vs defiance [Re: Mfloski]
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I'm implying, see which one has the better design. Surgeon used to have the thin little clip like extractor as seen in a Rem 700. They may all have an M-16 type extractor.

I'll reserve my comments on a Stiller action for a private conversation.
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#6554547 - 11/22/16 12:20 PM Re: Surgeon vs defiance [Re: 68A]
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Looks like surgeon runs rem style, defiance has m16

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#6554558 - 11/22/16 12:29 PM Re: Surgeon vs defiance [Re: 68A]
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Imo after playing with both I would go impact precision over those two.
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#6554567 - 11/22/16 12:36 PM Re: Surgeon vs defiance [Re: 68A]
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I would be talking with your rifle builder and go with he feels the best about..
It's his name on the side of the rifle..
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#6554570 - 11/22/16 12:37 PM Re: Surgeon vs defiance [Re: 68A]
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I would like to see a test done with all the custom actions one cares to amass and then the big name mass produced actions, a Winchester, ruger, rem, wby(vanguard and mk5), tikka... etc. All fitted with the same quality barrel with the same quality in craftsmanship and assembly and feed them the same quality of ammo tuned to the gun and see how much difference it makes.
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#6554629 - 11/22/16 01:11 PM Re: Surgeon vs defiance [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
I would like to see a test done with all the custom actions one cares to amass and then the big name mass produced actions, a Winchester, ruger, rem, wby(vanguard and mk5), tikka... etc. All fitted with the same quality barrel with the same quality in craftsmanship and assembly and feed them the same quality of ammo tuned to the gun and see how much difference it makes.


It won't, as far as wich shoots tighter. I've shot lots of small, as well as PRS matches. You'll see every manner of action shoot terrific. The difference in preference of one action to another is bolt throw degrees, extractor, ejector, what triggers it accepts, two or three lug, ect. ect.

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#6554631 - 11/22/16 01:13 PM Re: Surgeon vs defiance [Re: 68A]
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Originally Posted By: 68A
Looks like surgeon runs rem style, defiance has m16


That would sway me one way.

Look at Stuteville Precision as well. Wade was a founder of Surgeon, and is now on his own. His have M-16 style extractors.
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