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Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: Bobc] #6553273 11/21/16 09:55 PM
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A coyote dragging his butt cause he got worms is myguess.

Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: Bobc] #6553344 11/21/16 10:31 PM
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Large turtle. Pushing over loose sand there would not be a distinct foot track. Any tracks either side of the shell would blend in with the other critter tracks. My wife's pet land turtles/tortoise have made similar marks in the sandy area of thier outdoor pen. Is this close to a beachfront or a body of fresh water?

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Pond 100 yards away. but track was 10 inches wide minimum and no distinct claws to side. Just talked to foreman who has seen same type tracks a week ago. He's is puzzled. He grew up there and has been on property all his life and had never seen this. Guarantee no poacher. Remote, secure ranch, and poacher would have had to drive past me in trailer Sat nite. Why a poacher would walk backwards dragging something under feeder to obscure his footprints? We are going to put up a game cam to see if we can figure this out.

Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: Bobc] #6553384 11/21/16 10:53 PM
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Meh, I leave trails like that everyday, where my tired A$$ is dragging.


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Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: flintknapper] #6553410 11/21/16 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: flintknapper
Meh, I leave trails like that everyday, where my tired A$$ is dragging.
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Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: Bobc] #6553420 11/21/16 11:24 PM
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Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: Bobc] #6553544 11/22/16 12:37 AM
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Probably a black panther dragging off a chupacabra and being chased by a Bigfoot.


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Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: Bobc] #6553548 11/22/16 12:40 AM
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Or maybe a constipated coyote dragging its butt.


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Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: jshouse] #6553665 11/22/16 02:02 AM
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whatever it is, I most likely don't want none


I'm gonna go do this at all the feeders just to get the rumors started roflmao


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Originally Posted By: Curtis
Or maybe a constipated coyote dragging its butt.


We have a Dachshund that can scoot along on her front feet (dragging her butt on the carpet) that would leave a 'mark' like that. grin

There would be no tracks present in the drag mark.

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Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: Double Naught Spy] #6554386 11/22/16 04:30 PM
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Doesn't look like alligator. There are no corresponding fresh prints alongside of the fresh drag. And when gator bellies do drag the ground, the tail tends to swish side to side leaving a serpentine print. None of this is present.



I see opposing serpentine edges in that drag. I think it's from a giant Indigo or a gator.

Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: Bobc] #6554459 11/22/16 05:16 PM
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http://www.rwrefuge.com/uploads/4/9/4/2/49423019/farlow_and_elsey_2010_allig_tracks.pdf

Scroll down to about figure E, F and more. Looking at those drags and the fact that the sand on your place is so loose (thus obscuring the gator's actual tracks/claw marks), I'd be checking that pond nearby. I think you have a BIG gator hunting your feeders at night. The one in your photo is called a "belly-dragging alligator trackway."

Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: Bobc] #6554664 11/22/16 07:36 PM
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walking I ad a dog that would make the same marks in the yard dragging his behind! woot


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Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: Bobc] #6554672 11/22/16 07:38 PM
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Only thing I have against this being a gator is the track doesn't start until it gets close to the feeder. Could be the ground was more firm and the sandy area around the feeder allowed the gator to sink in more, but I would think a gator would have left a track closer to the bottom of the pic in that second picture (the zoomed out one).

I wouldn't be against this being a predator dragging something, but my guess is a gator as well.

Would be interesting to get a camera up and see if that's what it is...

Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: Bobc] #6555281 11/23/16 03:50 AM
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The sand would not obscure the gator's footprints. It didn't in the pics fouzman cited and it won't because the gator's legs are splayed out to the side of the box. This is rather critical. When the gator walks, its feet are out to the side and not underneath it.



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Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: Bobc] #6555321 11/23/16 04:30 AM
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DNS, I totally understand that sentiment as well. Just don't know what else could create such a mark. Whatever it is is probably something strange. Game
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Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: Bobc] #6555331 11/23/16 04:44 AM
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If it was a gator there would be an additional track going in. Since there is just one mark, I'll go with a predator dragging something out.

Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: Bobc] #6555506 11/23/16 01:49 PM
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DNS, did you scroll down in the link I added? The belly dragging trackways show no footprints to the sides. I know gators do not walk with their feet underneath them. I suspect the tracks in the link were washed away by tides which is why you only see the belly track. The sand in the OP's photo could easily obscure the footprints to the sides of the drag.

As for the trackway in the OP's photo, we can only see what he posted. Not the beginning and not the end of the drag. It certainly could be a predator dragging something. And most likely is. But he's on the Gulf Coast with a freshwater pond close by. Could definitely be a big gator, too.

We had one in one of our tanks in NE Webb Co. A long way from the coast. They come up the creeks during floods. The Briscoe next door to us had a 12+ footer in their 100 acre tank.

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Bobcat dragging something bigger than it is, thus covering the cats tracks, that don't widen when dragging anyway. Cats have huge power to weight ratio, but pretty much everyone knows that.

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Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: fouzman] #6555610 11/23/16 03:01 PM
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DNS, did you scroll down in the link I added? The belly dragging trackways show no footprints to the sides. I know gators do not walk with their feet underneath them.


The specific pictures you references show definite footprints. In fact, EVERY figure in that article (except A, C, D on page 32 which are of the alligator and its feet) you cited show footprints. Even pic of the trail that is partially obscured by tidal washing shows partially washed footprints.

The particular pictures you referenced show definite footprints. I don't know how you missed them.

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The sand in the OP's photo could easily obscure the footprints to the sides of the drag.


No. As seen in the OP's photo, the drag line in imprinted over a lot of other tracks that are all dimpled like it has sprinkled/light rained on them, but the drag is NOT dimpled. So if it was an alligator, the drag marks and corresponding lateral alligator footmarks would be fresh over the dimpled ground. Bobc's footprints show up without dimples as well, showing he came after the precipitation. However, there are no fresh alligator footprints on top of the old tracks and dimpled ground.

The sand does not move on its own. If the footprints were to be obscured by some process, like the tidal image in the article you cited, there would be evidence for that process (as with the tidal figure in the article) and it would have also impacted the drag area (as happened in the tidal image). Bobc's drag area is NOT impacted by an such process or are his footprints. So no, the sand didn't just obscure the alleged alligator footprints somehow without impacting the drag itself.


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Re: What made this drag mark under feeder? [Re: Bobc] #6555643 11/23/16 03:23 PM
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Well since precipitation was brought up, maybe it is a sailing rock...

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Unless it was Wally gator and went to the feeder on two feet it's not a gator. He could not have gone to the feeder and also left the feeder without making two drag marks. It's a predator dragging prey that made a very similar drag mark to a gator track.

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whatever it is, I most likely don't want none


I'm gonna go do this at all the feeders just to get the rumors started roflmao


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alligator.....we've seen them around goliad before

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