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#6546053 - 11/16/16 08:42 AM Grease vs oil
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Registered: 04/06/11
Posts: 319
Loc: Allen Tx
Can you help me understand how and why people use grease?
I typically use Ballistol and recently switched to Hornady One Shot TAP (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/925397...-1-2-oz-aerosol).
The Hornady product is a dry lube and its rust prevention capabilities are superior to Ballistol.

I think that my handguns, AR, and bolt guns are well served with just the Hornady product.

So here’s the question: I have never used any gun grease. Have I been missing anything?

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#6546062 - 11/16/16 08:48 AM Re: Grease vs oil [Re: Kevin1]
colt45 Offline
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are you using or for storage?
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#6546070 - 11/16/16 08:51 AM Re: Grease vs oil [Re: Kevin1]
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For both. My guns are in a safe inside the house and all of them gets shot at least once a year. I never had any rust problem by just using Ballistol and the Hornady is even more performant in that department.

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#6546077 - 11/16/16 09:00 AM Re: Grease vs oil [Re: Kevin1]
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Registered: 03/09/09
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For a bolt rifle, grease on the bolt, rails and bolt lugs for actually using it. Just a touch, a little on metal to metal surfaces is all that is needed.

The grease prevents galling on the face of the bolt lugs after firing pushes the bolt back.

For storage, inside of the barrel is the most critical surface to protect. Oil on a patch is the easiest to apply on that surface.

Just make sure to clean the oil out before firing the first round, as oil inside the barrel can cause bulges inside of the barrel.



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#6546083 - 11/16/16 09:03 AM Re: Grease vs oil [Re: Kevin1]
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That Hornady stuff if great, I need to get some after I use up all my Ballistol.

Grease is great for storing firearms for a long period of time. There are different types like packing greese and grease meant to lube the the firearm while in use.

I mainly use oil but I have a syringe bottle of military greese/lube that I use to put drops on the rails of my bolts and shotguns.
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#6546084 - 11/16/16 09:04 AM Re: Grease vs oil [Re: Kevin1]
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I only used oil for a long while. Last couple years we got a couple ar's and I concluded that I was running them too dry, especially the bcg. So on the two ar's I started using grease, as opposed to heavily oiling, and haven had an issue since. Do I think grease was the only way to go? No, but this works for us now so I continue to run with it.

To me it comes down more to how it's applied than whether oil or grease is vastly superior to one or the other.

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#6546097 - 11/16/16 09:07 AM Re: Grease vs oil [Re: Kevin1]
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I never use grease. I've seen too many shooters use it in dirty conditions, and it turns to a gross paste. Only oil for mine.
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#6546114 - 11/16/16 09:15 AM Re: Grease vs oil [Re: Kevin1]
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I've never used the Hornady OS stuff. I'm sure it will do fine. As a dry lube, that's a huge plus. I see grease used a lot in bench rest. I've seen some tactical shooters use grease on their bolts and action raceways, and it collects dust and dirt easily. With a chamber open and a little wind with a rifle on the ground, it will collect some dirt and start grinding the bolt when closing. The grease feels good and works, but I'm not a fan of grease because of the dirt in the field.
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#6546280 - 11/16/16 11:01 AM Re: Grease vs oil [Re: Kevin1]
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You should be using both for different purposes.

Grease doesn't dry as quickly as oil, so it is generally better for long term things and as mentioned it prevents wear on heavier use portions like rails, races, lugs, etc.

Depending on whether I'm going to be out in the field or not, I will smear the grease lighter to prevent the issues pointed out. Over greasing will just make a mess and gunk up a gun, as will over oiling. I haven't had too many problems myself and find oil collects dust just as easily if the situation is really that dire but that's just me.

I grease the rails and races of my carry weapons, use spray oil very lightly on the trigger group and springs. Oil on the patches down barrels. Clean them maybe once a month to prevent any build up. Use a compressor to spray out any old lubes.

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#6546665 - 11/16/16 03:17 PM Re: Grease vs oil [Re: Kevin1]
charlesb Offline
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On a bolt action rifle, I use grease on the bolt's cocking cam. This will be located near the rear of the bolt.

The angled surface that you see here is the cocking cam on my Winchester model 70's bolt. The rear of the firing pin rides on this cam when you open the bolt, cocking the rifle.



When it comes up all of the way, it is held in a little detent, pictured here.



When you push the bolt in and lock it, the firing pin is held back by the sear, as the bolt rotates so that it is suspended above the deepest part of the cam. - You pull the trigger, and it snaps forward to pop off the round in the chamber.

This cam greatly benefits from a dab of grease along the length of the camming surface. Your bolt will open more smoothly, and wear is reduced. Since this part is rarely exposed to the elements, dust has to be pretty bad to be a problem there. A dry cocking cam will eventually gall, and oil does not stay there nearly as well as grease will.

That's the only place that I apply grease on a bolt action rifle, other spots to be lubricated get oil, or in some cases dry-moly lubricant.



Edited by charlesb (11/16/16 03:22 PM)
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#6546752 - 11/16/16 04:04 PM Re: Grease vs oil [Re: Kevin1]
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If anyone uses an O/U shotgun they should be greased in the "joint" ... never oiled. I've seen many galled by using oil instead of grease.
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#6546794 - 11/16/16 04:31 PM Re: Grease vs oil [Re: Kevin1]
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I used to put a lot of time and effort in to using the best lubricants. I had numerous products I used, oil and grease. For around five years now I've used Breakfree CLP for everything and am happy with the results. If I had a SxS or O/U I'd have some grease for the reason mentioned by Creedmoor.
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#6546817 - 11/16/16 04:41 PM Re: Grease vs oil [Re: charlesb]
Texas Dan Offline
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Originally Posted By: charlesb
On a bolt action rifle, I use grease on the bolt's cocking cam. This will be located near the rear of the bolt.

The angled surface that you see here is the cocking cam on my Winchester model 70's bolt. The rear of the firing pin rides on this cam when you open the bolt, cocking the rifle.



When it comes up all of the way, it is held in a little detent, pictured here.



When you push the bolt in and lock it, the firing pin is held back by the sear, as the bolt rotates so that it is suspended above the deepest part of the cam. - You pull the trigger, and it snaps forward to pop off the round in the chamber.

This cam greatly benefits from a dab of grease along the length of the camming surface. Your bolt will open more smoothly, and wear is reduced. Since this part is rarely exposed to the elements, dust has to be pretty bad to be a problem there. A dry cocking cam will eventually gall, and oil does not stay there nearly as well as grease will.

That's the only place that I apply grease on a bolt action rifle, other spots to be lubricated get oil, or in some cases dry-moly lubricant.



Thanks!
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#6547108 - 11/16/16 08:20 PM Re: Grease vs oil [Re: Kevin1]
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Registered: 11/11/07
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Loc: Wise Co.
I do as Charles does on the cocking cam, but I also use a bit of grease on locking lugs. A little bit goes a long way.

I've bought into the notion an AR bolt needs to be liberally oiled, but I still use a very small amount of Tetra Gun fluoropolymer grease to lubricate the locking lugs. It sets up as a dry lube.

A trick I learned a long time ago is to use Hoppe's Gun Grease for exteriior preservation. I take a baby food or pimento jar and squeeze about a three-inch long bird turd of grease into it, then fill it about 2/3 full of acetone or lacquer thinner and shake it up good to get the grease dissolved. Then I'll cram a 10" x 10" flannel rag into it and let it soak up all the solution. Take the rag out and let the acetone or lacquer thinner evaporate, and now you have a nice rag impregnated with Hoppe's Gun Grease. I use the rag to wipe down all the exterior parts of a gun, and it works like a champ. No rust, no corrosion, and it's such a light coat of grease that it does not attract or collect dust and dirt. It just protects.
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#6547215 - 11/16/16 09:43 PM Re: Grease vs oil [Re: Kevin1]
HandyMan91 Offline
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Registered: 10/27/16
Posts: 115
Loc: stephenville texas
love the hoppe's grease rag trick , will be using it.

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