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#6545857 - 11/16/16 06:30 AM Too much protein?
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I have read a few places that if a deer herd becomes too dependent on protein and less dependent on natural browse that when a drought hits it can cause severe issues with the herd. Is anyone aware of such a thing and what could the impact actually be?
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#6546037 - 11/16/16 08:29 AM Re: Too much protein? [Re: tlk]
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I know this happens with farm animals. If you raise an animal in a pen, or in a small pasture with feed, they don't learn to properly forage and will starve or at least not do well when you remove the food source. Case in point, I bought two young Angora nannies in high school from a breeder that had many animals and a small place. I fed them through the show season, then turned them out with the herd. One died within 2 years and the other lost a lot of weight and was unthrifty/unhealthy for nearly 3 years before finally being a decent range animal.

I don't know that a wild animal would have that same problem unless you feed a lot and carry too many animals for the land. I suspect deer have enough native instinct to not rely solely on protein. Fawns won't be pen-raised, and will learn to eat browse/forbes with mom long before they see a feeder.
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#6546039 - 11/16/16 08:31 AM Re: Too much protein? [Re: tlk]
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I would only assume that if the animals are that dependent on supplemental feeding you are also over what the natural carrying capacity is.
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#6546636 - 11/16/16 02:50 PM Re: Too much protein? [Re: tlk]
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Originally Posted By: tlk
I have read a few places that if a deer herd becomes too dependent on protein and less dependent on natural browse that when a drought hits it can cause severe issues with the herd. Is anyone aware of such a thing and what could the impact actually be?


Natural food choices are tiered in value. When feeding heavy protein the top tier sources are utilized more then bottom end. When drought hits although they will still forage(it will be mixed tiers) but their supplement intake will increase and you pray it's been well researched and document in sustainability in drought conditions

Biggest thing with drought is more focus on supplement protein. If supplement protein is well balanced with roughage and fiber you don't see any adverse effects. If it's not bad things happen.

Wildlife feed and domestic feed from major brands has been well researched in these areas. After all they have had decades of experience in it

Atleast what I've read and been told

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#6546693 - 11/16/16 03:31 PM Re: Too much protein? [Re: tlk]
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If a Deer can survive a leg being blown off or a arrow hanging out...

They will be fine, it's a wild animal with natural instincts ...

Kinda over thinking it a tad
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#6546748 - 11/16/16 04:01 PM Re: Too much protein? [Re: tlk]
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There's no way supplemental feeding would supplant their natural instincts to forage. These animals are hard wired to survive and are in no danger of becoming overly dependent upon supplemental feeding like domesticated animals.

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#6548426 - 11/17/16 06:44 PM Re: Too much protein? [Re: tlk]
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A mature whitetail is the most aggressive foraging eating machine you will ever see ; day and night. They are pretty good at it.

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#6552742 - 11/21/16 09:53 AM Re: Too much protein? [Re: kdkane1971]
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Originally Posted By: kdkane1971
There's no way supplemental feeding would supplant their natural instincts to forage. These animals are hard wired to survive and are in no danger of becoming overly dependent upon supplemental feeding like domesticated animals.


You are correct if you stop feeding , but when you continue supplement feeding in heavy drought years(intake will increase) you need to make sure your feed is properly balanced.

Kind of like sending cake, protein bars, steaks etc to a starving children in Africa. Their stomachs can't tolerate it. They need certain trace minerals, roughage etc. why it's important to use a well researched feed in drought years.

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#6558314 - 11/25/16 11:29 AM Re: Too much protein? [Re: tlk]
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Definitely a lot of ranches now that are pretty much feedlot situations. Some feeds even advertising crazy quantities of feed eaten. As long as you keep the feedlot operational I guess your ok. If you stop paying the feed bill you will be in trouble.

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#6558608 - 11/25/16 05:08 PM Re: Too much protein? [Re: txbobcat]
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Originally Posted By: txbobcat
Definitely a lot of ranches now that are pretty much feedlot situations. Some feeds even advertising crazy quantities of feed eaten. As long as you keep the feedlot operational I guess your ok. If you stop paying the feed bill you will be in trouble.


Won't affect a Texas Whitetail in the slightest bit...

Water plays more of a vital role on Deer Population than supplemental feeding
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#6558654 - 11/25/16 05:40 PM Re: Too much protein? [Re: tlk]
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A drought situation can produce big deer in an atmosphere with high deer populations and ample protein feed.
I heard a HFer once complain of too much rain, the deer were eating everything other than the high protein diet at feeders. The antler turn out was lower than previous years.
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#6582432 - 12/11/16 06:55 PM Re: Too much protein? [Re: SniperRAB]
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Originally Posted By: txbobcat
Definitely a lot of ranches now that are pretty much feedlot situations. Some feeds even advertising crazy quantities of feed eaten. As long as you keep the feedlot operational I guess your ok. If you stop paying the feed bill you will be in trouble.


Won't affect a Texas Whitetail in the slightest bit...

Water plays more of a vital role on Deer Population than supplemental feeding


Dang sure will if you turn off the feed on these 300 acre HF ranches with 100 deer on them! Lol

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#6583000 - 12/12/16 07:48 AM Re: Too much protein? [Re: tlk]
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How much do you feed per year per deer?

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#6583305 - 12/12/16 10:23 AM Re: Too much protein? [Re: Simple Searcher]
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Originally Posted By: Simple Searcher
A drought situation can produce big deer in an atmosphere with high deer populations and ample protein feed.
I heard a HFer once complain of too much rain, the deer were eating everything other than the high protein diet at feeders. The antler turn out was lower than previous years.


I have heard this from folks around here as well.

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#6583572 - 12/12/16 01:19 PM Re: Too much protein? [Re: Buck25-06]
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Originally Posted By: Buck25-06
How much do you feed per year per deer?


we are on 9000 acres. We start cottonseed and protein in mid January and shut it off in September. We went through 152,000 lbs of protein and 100,000 lbs of cottonseed. During the season we go through 72,000 lbs of bulk corn.
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