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Re: Possible new world record
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11/08/16 02:59 AM
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That's what I was thinking and I would pay a lot more for that guy.. I am with you and like typical over non-typical. My exception to that is typical up top with a drop time and my dream ( same as everyone else) would be a double drop time. I am just not that big of a fan of a drop-tine. I have killed 2 bucks with small ones-2" and 3.5". I prefer a big clean heavy mass typical like this one. This one is even more of my style since he is a 7x7 and those are rare. His mass is just unbelievable and long beams on top of it. I like a clean droptine, just dont like all the crazy points going everywhere I let a friend shoot a Mule Deer two years ago even though I saw one droptine...he ended up with matching drops one on each side. True story
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/08/16 03:12 AM
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Wow. He will never be able to top that one. I'm sure the personal attacks both non-hunters and jealous fellow hunters has already begun.
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/08/16 05:00 AM
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A ton of mass(50"+???) on that buck, long beams and good spread with enough tine length to get over 200" maybe even 210". Don't see 230 but he is huge no doubt. Deducts will hurt him a bit on net. To me to have deductions is a little silly...this is a magnificent buck! Congrats to the hunter!
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/08/16 12:52 PM
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I Feed Indian Corn. The deer love it and all the colors make them stay at the feeder longer.
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/08/16 06:08 PM
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What would they do if a pen-raised buck monster escaped and was shot in a LF area and no one came forward admitting it? How would they prove it didn't qualify? I don't know about that state's laws, but here in Texas a "pen-raised" buck would likely be a breeder buck in a breeder pen and would therefore require a tattoo on the inside of his ear with an identifier that you register with the state. In addition to that most of them will have ear tags to be easily identifiable in the field. Now if your just talking about a buck inside a high fence that was never released by the breeder from a breeding pen, then you wouldn't be able to tell.
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/08/16 11:09 PM
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If it was a HF deer and escaped, was killed on LF and the hunter had no knowledge of its escape would it be disqualified, provided they could prove it was previously a HF deer with an ear tatoo or registered DNA sample?
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/08/16 11:20 PM
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WOW Did they mention the bucks age?
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/09/16 12:05 AM
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/09/16 12:37 AM
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Wow. Congrats to Austin on this toad! Here's the story so far from F&S:
Field & Stream posted 3 hrs ago · World-Record Iowa Whitetail? We know. We've seen our share of would-be world records, too. So nobody is telling Milo Hanson to move over. But take a good look at this colossus. Our friend Tony Sehman at Thunder Ridge Outfitters in Southern Iowa (iowadeerhunts.com) tipped us off to this enormous buck, taken just down the road from him in Truro, by a young hunter named Austin Pontier. Early rumors put the deer anywhere from the high 190s to 230 gross. If it proves nearly as big as it looks in the photo, Pontier's buck will have at least a shot at Mell Johnson's 51-year-old archery, typical world record of 204-4/8. Maybe even Hanson's all-time mark. Maybe. Stay tuned. —Scott Bestul, whitetails editor #RutReporters2016 My B&C source is telling me it nets in the high 190's ... nothing official yet
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/09/16 01:56 AM
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A ton of mass(50"+???) on that buck, long beams and good spread with enough tine length to get over 200" maybe even 210". Don't see 230 but he is huge no doubt. Deducts will hurt him a bit on net. how many bucks have you seen with 50" of mass?
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/09/16 08:30 PM
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Was just talking to my stepdad about this buck and he pointed out the one point on his right beam isn't centered on the beam. Will probably make it a non-typical since that's what made the King buck a non typical This buck is a 7x7 typical with a possible split left browtine and one nontypical on the right beam next to the G5. Those would both be deducts off of the net typical score for a final net typical score. It will hurt his net typical a little but still be a huge net typical. A lot bucks that are netted typical have one or more NT points that are deducts. B&C is about symmetry first so that is sided more towards bigger net typical score. A NT would still score a net typical score then add in the NT points. IMO this buck would probably net book both ways as a typical or NT. I don't think this deer has the King buck issue.
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/10/16 12:19 AM
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Was just talking to my stepdad about this buck and he pointed out the one point on his right beam isn't centered on the beam. Will probably make it a non-typical since that's what made the King buck a non typical This buck is a 7x7 typical with a possible split left browtine and one nontypical on the right beam next to the G5. Those would both be deducts off of the net typical score for a final net typical score. It will hurt his net typical a little but still be a huge net typical. A lot bucks that are netted typical have one or more NT points that are deducts. B&C is about symmetry first so that is sided more towards bigger net typical score. A NT would still score a net typical score then add in the NT points. IMO this buck would probably net book both ways as a typical or NT. I don't think this deer has the King buck issue. This issue with the King Buck was that B&C determined that two of the points coming off the main beam had a common base....so they were NOT determined to be separate typical points..... hence the B&C typical net score dropped a ton. BuckMaster decided to score those two points as separate typical points and scored it as their new world record typical. Here are two link to the B&C website that discusses their decision on the King Buck, Second link has photos. I think B&D was right but your view may differ. http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_kingbuckstatement.asp?area=bgRecordshttp://www.boone-crockett.org/news/featured_story.asp?area=news&ID=150This Iowa deer is basically a huge 7x7 with what appears to be some small non-typical points and from what I was told by a B&C scorer who is familiar with this buck...it nets in the high 190's. As an aside, for a deer to be entered into B&C as a nontypical I believe it has to have 15 inches of non-typical points ...so this deer doesn't have 15 inches of non-typical points. Bottom line it is a HUGE typical
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/10/16 01:48 AM
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I would of let him go another year...
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/10/16 01:56 AM
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/10/16 03:11 AM
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/10/16 03:19 AM
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I honestly think a buck like that would freak me out if I was bow humting
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/10/16 03:37 AM
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I honestly think a buck like that would freak me out if I was bow humting Me too, I would be shaking so bad
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/10/16 03:47 AM
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Hot linked a pic of this one:
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/10/16 03:53 AM
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I miss northern deer, even small racked ones have huge bodies
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/10/16 04:13 AM
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What would they do if a pen-raised buck monster escaped and was shot in a LF area and no one came forward admitting it? How would they prove it didn't qualify? I don't know about that state's laws, but here in Texas a "pen-raised" buck would likely be a breeder buck in a breeder pen and would therefore require a tattoo on the inside of his ear with an identifier that you register with the state. In addition to that most of them will have ear tags to be easily identifiable in the field. Now if your just talking about a buck inside a high fence that was never released by the breeder from a breeding pen, then you wouldn't be able to tell. HF raised bucks escape all of the time into the fictitious world of all-natural LF deer. It is nothing new to hear of them jumping out or getting out through water gaps, holes, etc. And no tattoos or tags. If shot on a LF no one would know any difference. Here in Texas we shoot exotic escapees on a regular basis. To think that all LF whitetail deer are genuine LF deer is not being realisic. Then we have outfitters, many hunters, and owners feeding LF protein, planting high-protein plots, having supplemental water and only fencing a few sides of the land. It keeps the deer mostly confined and dependent on a food-water source. It would make since that LF deer are getting bigger in areas that are controlled in this manner, but they can still make book. So, can you shoot a genetically superior, protein fed monster on LF...? Sure Regardless, that deer is a hoss.
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/10/16 04:26 AM
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/10/16 10:40 AM
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Re: Possible new world record
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11/11/16 08:22 PM
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That's unbelievable! If I ever saw anything like that, I sure hope I could stay composed enough to make the shot.
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