Yeah, it really doesn't matter what you call BS on, you don't get to invent facts. They average over 10' of snow in town. Higher outside of town. And yet their elk don't migrate. They move the snow and feed them hay. Amazing how they do that.

http://www.farmzone.com/statistics/CL1181508/nb022

Aw they snow plow fields, they makes perfect since to do on a mountain.

There's a valley near every mountain. Amazing how that happens.

And here I was trying to get along.....

Sheesh...so what I have learned is that if you plow the mountain, feed an enormous amount of hay and HF a place...the Elk won't need to migrate

I have also learned that every land owner is a great steward of the land and resources, only cares about wildlife, only makes their money on wildlife and will give away free hunts.

I have learned that because a small isolated herd in the low lands doesn't migrate the same as an animal with the same genetic make up that lives in the mountains, that animals should never migrate and if the land was private the owner would make that happen.

I have learned that public land should all go to private owners and that if that is the case, the cost of hunting will go down. Everyone that has ever wanted to hunt will have that chance because it will increase the land that is available and many of these hunts will be free.

What did I miss?

Sheesh...so what I have learned is that if you plow the mountain, feed an enormous amount of hay and HF a place...the Elk won't need to migrate

I have also learned that every land owner is a great steward of the land and resources, only cares about wildlife, only makes their money on wildlife and will give away free hunts.

I have learned that because a small isolated herd in the low lands doesn't migrate the same as an animal with the same genetic make up that lives in the mountains, that animals should never migrate and if the land was private the owner would make that happen.

I have learned that public land should all go to private owners and that if that is the case, the cost of hunting will go down. Everyone that has ever wanted to hunt will have that chance because it will increase the land that is available and many of these hunts will be free.

What did I miss?

You also learned Bobo and my dad and np are hard headed.....but mainly my dad

Yeah, it really doesn't matter what you call BS on, you don't get to invent facts. They average over 10' of snow in town. Higher outside of town. And yet their elk don't migrate. They move the snow and feed them hay. Amazing how they do that.

http://www.farmzone.com/statistics/CL1181508/nb022

Not going to enter into the public/private debate but the link you provided for climate data on Hudson's Hope indicates they receive 169cm of snow in an average winter. This is just over 5 feet 6 inches, not 10 feet. More importantly if you move over from the summary tab to the precipitation tab there is a table that shows the average daily depth of snow on the ground. This accounts for thaws, compaction and sublimation. It shows that in an average winter the depth of snow on the ground peaks in February and is on average 19cm deep or just shy of 8 inches. There is also another row in the table that shows the extreme (record) daily depth of snow on the ground. This indicates a maximum single day depth of 67cm or just over 2 feet and occurred in February 1994.

Not going to enter into the public/private debate but the link you provided for climate data on Hudson's Hope indicates they receive 169cm of snow in an average winter. This is just over 5 feet 6 inches, not 10 feet. More importantly if you move over from the summary tab to the precipitation tab there is a table that shows the average daily depth of snow on the ground. This accounts for thaws, compaction and sublimation. It shows that in an average winter the depth of snow on the ground peaks in February and is on average 19cm deep or just shy of 8 inches. There is also another row in the table that shows the extreme (record) daily depth of snow on the ground. This indicates a maximum single day depth of 67cm or just over 2 feet and occurred in February 1994.

Yep. I just know the outfitter told me they get snow of about 8' where we hunted. We hunted bear in may and there was still snow in drifts about 3' deep and it snowed 18" the week before I got there. I read the chart wrong. Doesn't change anything about the fact that they move the snow to feed the elk and that the temps are brutally low.

And the elk don't go anywhere.

Ok but..you don't get to invent the facts though

Say it with confidence and someone will believe you

It was an "honest" lie... I believed I read the chart right.

Hell I believed me!

I plead guilty to being hard-headed. I was also amazed at the time spent discussing the feasibility of converting every wild elk and mule deer out west into feed-dependent livestock. Might as well have been discussing the best way to trap a Bigfoot.

I've already admitted to being arrogant. I think hardheaded is assumed with that.

As for the time spent discussing... I'm pretty certain if (in the '30's when there were virtually no deer in most of texas) you discussed the potential for huntable deer populations in virtually every county with the largest populations ever and the guaranteed protection of those deer as a commodity, there would be more naysayers than believers.

And then the can do folks just went and did what couldn't be done. Hard headed arrogant schmucks.

Texas Tatonkas, I'll give you $20 if you wait until your dad is asleep, then cut off his beard and post the video of his reaction $40 if he also has a queue and you cut that too

I'll say this - their relationship shows they are both pretty good guys.