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 Re: MPBR
[Re: Jgraider]
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10/21/16 01:47 AM
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Jeff and fireman, I get all of that, and I'm not being argumentative. I know you guys know what you're doing. My point was, an MPBR shooter like I was for 3 decades (with duplex reticles), upon shooting and recording drops, can be very, very effective out to 340 yds with that setup. I never used a chrono in any of those first 30 years as it didn't matter. Verifying drops by actual shooting is the key, obviously, whether you twist or not. That was they point I was trying to make. Is it as precise as a verified turret? No. Is it more than adequate for killing big game animals? Absolutely. I too agree with Jgraider. MPBR is just another tool in the toolbox for those who can and will use it properly. There are those hunting situations that will not allow you the time to dial up elevation. Sometimes you may need to shoot at varying ranges and do it quickly. Depending on the situation I may employ one or the other technique. There's no "one size fits all" approach to the many variables in hunting. You're not always sitting at a bench, shooting at known ranges, on static targets. Rather than berating someone for using one technique or another, or completely dismissing one or the other is foolish. If someone isn't doing it right, then share a method that will correct one's mistakes or something that they overlooked. Most hunters are not as advanced when it comes to this sort of marksmanship. They only know what they've been told. So lets tell 'em some good info. BTW, there has been some good info exchanged here.
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Re: MPBR
[Re: J.G.]
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10/21/16 01:56 AM
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Hey Fireman, I have a somewhat unrelated quick question if you don't mind.
I have a .243 and want to use it to learn the SS scope mil/mil method. Why would I choose a SS 10x over the 3-9x SS, or vice versa? Was planning to shoot the 105g Hornday HPBT, FWIW. Depends on what you're doing. Will it need to be in service in brush, and or low light situations? Then I'd go with the 3-9X. Or will it just be for plenty of light, and to play with 100 yards and further? If it's the second one, then the fixed 10X is a great option, and less money than the adjustable. I have an SS fixed 12X and really like it. It's not completely out of service at close end shots, but I don't know if it would work for what you're doing with it. I usually hunt open country mule deer and whitetails. My primary hunting rifle is a McWhorter 7-08 with a Leupy 4-14x40 VX3 that has both CDS and a B&C. I had the B&C installed when it was back at Leupy getting a tracking situation fixed. The B&C is setup perfectly for a 140 AB at 2830fps. I was wanting the SS as a learning tool on a .243 that I just bought to fart around with and learn the system. I want to be able to have a usable mil-quad reticle in the SS, and understand not al MQ's are the same.
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Re: MPBR
[Re: LandPirate]
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10/21/16 02:21 AM
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Jeff and fireman, I get all of that, and I'm not being argumentative. I know you guys know what you're doing. My point was, an MPBR shooter like I was for 3 decades (with duplex reticles), upon shooting and recording drops, can be very, very effective out to 340 yds with that setup. I never used a chrono in any of those first 30 years as it didn't matter. Verifying drops by actual shooting is the key, obviously, whether you twist or not. That was they point I was trying to make. Is it as precise as a verified turret? No. Is it more than adequate for killing big game animals? Absolutely. I too agree with Jgraider. MPBR is just another tool in the toolbox for those who can and will use it properly. There are those hunting situations that will not allow you the time to dial up elevation. Sometimes you may need to shoot at varying ranges and do it quickly. Depending on the situation I may employ one or the other technique. There's no "one size fits all" approach to the many variables in hunting. You're not always sitting at a bench, shooting at known ranges, on static targets. Rather than berating someone for using one technique or another, or completely dismissing one or the other is foolish. If someone isn't doing it right, then share a method that will correct one's mistakes or something that they overlooked. Most hunters are not as advanced when it comes to this sort of marksmanship. They only know what they've been told. So lets tell 'em some good info. BTW, there has been some good info exchanged here. Did you read all the posts?
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Re: MPBR
[Re: Jgraider]
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10/21/16 02:24 AM
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Hey Fireman, I have a somewhat unrelated quick question if you don't mind.
I have a .243 and want to use it to learn the SS scope mil/mil method. Why would I choose a SS 10x over the 3-9x SS, or vice versa? Was planning to shoot the 105g Hornday HPBT, FWIW. Depends on what you're doing. Will it need to be in service in brush, and or low light situations? Then I'd go with the 3-9X. Or will it just be for plenty of light, and to play with 100 yards and further? If it's the second one, then the fixed 10X is a great option, and less money than the adjustable. I have an SS fixed 12X and really like it. It's not completely out of service at close end shots, but I don't know if it would work for what you're doing with it. I usually hunt open country mule deer and whitetails. My primary hunting rifle is a McWhorter 7-08 with a Leupy 4-14x40 VX3 that has both CDS and a B&C. I had the B&C installed when it was back at Leupy getting a tracking situation fixed. The B&C is setup perfectly for a 140 AB at 2830fps. I was wanting the SS as a learning tool on a .243 that I just bought to fart around with and learn the system. I want to be able to have a usable mil-quad reticle in the SS, and understand not al MQ's are the same. The fixed will get you going, dialing and holding. Look on SWFA's site. They show the reticle for all their SS scopes. Pretty sure the variables and the fixed all have the same exact reticle. My 5-20X and fixed 12X have the same reticle.
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Re: MPBR
[Re: J.G.]
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10/21/16 02:33 AM
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Jeff and fireman, I get all of that, and I'm not being argumentative. I know you guys know what you're doing. My point was, an MPBR shooter like I was for 3 decades (with duplex reticles), upon shooting and recording drops, can be very, very effective out to 340 yds with that setup. I never used a chrono in any of those first 30 years as it didn't matter. Verifying drops by actual shooting is the key, obviously, whether you twist or not. That was they point I was trying to make. Is it as precise as a verified turret? No. Is it more than adequate for killing big game animals? Absolutely. I too agree with Jgraider. MPBR is just another tool in the toolbox for those who can and will use it properly. There are those hunting situations that will not allow you the time to dial up elevation. Sometimes you may need to shoot at varying ranges and do it quickly. Depending on the situation I may employ one or the other technique. There's no "one size fits all" approach to the many variables in hunting. You're not always sitting at a bench, shooting at known ranges, on static targets. Rather than berating someone for using one technique or another, or completely dismissing one or the other is foolish. If someone isn't doing it right, then share a method that will correct one's mistakes or something that they overlooked. Most hunters are not as advanced when it comes to this sort of marksmanship. They only know what they've been told. So lets tell 'em some good info. BTW, there has been some good info exchanged here. Did you read all the posts? Why yes, I did. That's the reason for my last sentence. Giving kudos.
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Re: MPBR
[Re: LandPirate]
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10/21/16 02:37 AM
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Re: MPBR
[Re: postoak]
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10/26/16 06:19 PM
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Here you go!!! Let's do this! Free Range day! http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/6512876/Free_Range_day!_For_the_MPBR_a#Post6512876
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