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#6502876 - 10/19/16 04:59 PM My Experience at WTF Ranch.... Long Read
jtprocaddie Offline
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Registered: 12/22/13
Posts: 690
Loc: Houston, Texas
Long read and rant sorry!

Well no kill video to share. We went to "WTF Ranch" in Nacogdoches, Texas; the name stands for Whitetail Farms but I think I will let people judge what it should really stand for. It was a disaster of an experience. We arranged to kill a Red Stag and do a full promotional video for this ranch and an episode for our show. The night before the owner changed it to a small stag or Hind. Ok fine. We drive 3 hours and now it's changed to a small Hind or axis doe. Ok fine. Drive around for 3 hours to get all the filler video we need and video of his set up which is what we always do first. Then we are supposed to video the kill, then we finish videoing scenes to back up the kill so we can tie it all in together.

So We get in the blind at 5:30pm and A decent Hind walks up about 6:15 ish I think. The owner says this Hine is too young (which he just got done stating that he does not like to kill mature Hinds so they can breed better stags). Ok fine, and the Hind walks off after 10 mins. Then the owner says, "I think we are going to regret not shooting that one." What?! Then a spike stag comes in still no word to shoot and he walks off after about 10 mins in the food plot.

Day 2 In The blind 45 mins before light. An hour after sunrise a small group of red deer walk in. Two nice stags and one smaller stag with a messed up rack. I am ready to shoot the cull with the bad rack but no green light is given and he walks off. The owner then says, "if he comes back shoot him." Ok wtf?! Why did you not say that 2 mins ago!
Then 8:30 comes and the owner gets up and walks out of the blind and says time to drive around and see what we see for more video. Wtf?! At 8:30? We had 3 hours of video driving around the day before we have video of all the species he has, his outfit, even areal video with the drone; we have everything but the kill.

Then we drive around. Every food plot we come up to her drives into it full speed and wonders why the animals run off. Then we find a group and jump them with the mule. You would think we would circle back, cut them off and stalk them, but nope he turns and goes the opposite way.

Then we find another group bedded down, they do not move and the owner is silent and does not give the green light. Finally my camera operator speaks up and says take them. So I get out and the owner says "no clear shot." But there were two clear shots! Then they run away. So we suggest to cut them off before they cross the road. We get there and wait for no more than 5 mins and he says "looks like they are not coming let's go."

Then drives us back to the house. All by 10am. Then says, "we will see you back this afternoon to drive around for more video and then hunt the evening."

We pack up and leave and let him know we are not coming back and wasting more of our time just to get him "more video." No apology or remorse only trying to use us for videoing purposes and never intended to have us kill anything. His comment was "what happens to the video you already took" Arrg! Waste of time, money and resources.

I am not doing this for "free hunts." This is a pure promotional video for each ranch that we film at. I have a lot of cost that goes into every episode. Time, gas, lodging, food, labor, equipment, then the several days of editing to put it all together.

Some people just want to try to walk over others to get something for nothing. Our good friend who was acting as the camera operator for the weekend told the owner that at the end he wants to pay the 500.00 fee to shoot a red deer Hind for his own enjoyment and meat. So he was also getting cash out of the deal!

Sorry for the rant, but it is frustrating when others try to take advantage of situations.
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#6503204 - 10/19/16 07:58 PM Re: My Experience at WTF Ranch.... Long Read [Re: jtprocaddie]
PKnTX Offline
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Registered: 10/20/05
Posts: 3557
Loc: Collin County
Is a video without a kill not an option for a paying customer?

Just a question, nothing more.
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#6503234 - 10/19/16 08:15 PM Re: My Experience at WTF Ranch.... Long Read [Re: jtprocaddie]
Gladesgator Offline
Woodsman

Registered: 04/18/10
Posts: 154
Loc: Cushing,Tx,

I am not going to get into refuting this fantasy land version of the events. I would just advise any one contemplating using this video service to send me a PM first.

Anyone who knows me, knows this story is BS.

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#6503236 - 10/19/16 08:16 PM Re: My Experience at WTF Ranch.... Long Read [Re: PKnTX]
PWRANCH Offline
Woodsman

Registered: 04/19/16
Posts: 108
Loc: San Angelo, TX
Originally Posted By: PKnTX
Is a video without a kill not an option for a paying customer?

Just a question, nothing more.


I don't understand what you are asking...
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#6503344 - 10/19/16 09:18 PM Re: My Experience at WTF Ranch.... Long Read [Re: PWRANCH]
PKnTX Offline
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Registered: 10/20/05
Posts: 3557
Loc: Collin County
Originally Posted By: PWRANCH
Originally Posted By: PKnTX
Is a video without a kill not an option for a paying customer?

Just a question, nothing more.


I don't understand what you are asking...


Is a filmed kill by the video company a required part of the deal?

Don't know if I can make it more clear.
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#6503416 - 10/19/16 09:59 PM Re: My Experience at WTF Ranch.... Long Read [Re: jtprocaddie]
Lonnie Paul Walker Jr. Offline
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Registered: 07/29/10
Posts: 1878
Loc: Santo, TX
I have thought about this for a bit. I don't know either parties on this deal. I want to add my solution to this kind of problem. I get approached all the time by camera swingers to come hunt, saying they want to promote my ranches. I do have camera crews that hunt with me every year, but they pay FULL PRICE ! I treat them no different than anyone else, and they get 100% of my efforts! Eliminates all the drama and everything is on the level. This industry gets more cut throat and crooked everyday, and to me that's really sad. Whether you deal with brokers , outfitters, or ranches , now days even with good references you still face the chance to get burned. Whatever happened to keeping your word regardless of the outcome?
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#6503454 - 10/19/16 10:22 PM Re: My Experience at WTF Ranch.... Long Read [Re: Lonnie Paul Walker Jr.]
Gladesgator Offline
Woodsman

Registered: 04/18/10
Posts: 154
Loc: Cushing,Tx,
Lonnie,

That is a good solution, you have come up with. These guys contacted me to do this video with a red hind hunt, should have known better, when they couldn't even show up on time. lol

It is a sad time when people don't do what they say, they will.

Thanks, for your solution, a pay hunt would have saved me a wasted weekend.
Take care.

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#6503488 - 10/19/16 10:51 PM Re: My Experience at WTF Ranch.... Long Read [Re: jtprocaddie]
jtprocaddie Offline
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Registered: 12/22/13
Posts: 690
Loc: Houston, Texas
The services were for the ranch.. And you had a paid hunt. for the second animal that was to be killed.... A kill was part of the deal to finalize the promotional video for your ranch. When we saw every effort was being made to avoid that we decided to stop wasting our time and yours.

When we confronted you there was not one mention of, no that is not it, or I am so sorry it seemed that way, or anything of the sort. The first question was what happens to the video already taken? If our thoughts were false you would think there would have been some sort of communication to try to resolve the misunderstanding.. But nope, you were only worried about video already taken, not how we can fix the issue and move forward.

This was my experience, and read into it of what you will. I have my many Ranches that vouch for my services and how we follow through on our side of the deals.

I am not just a guy with a camera getting a free hunt and throwing a number up at the end of a video. The entire video is built around the Ranch itself, and promotes the ranch throughout the entire episode. This is also why we were paying for a second kill, because the agreement was for one kill.

When my camera guy showed up he decided he wanted a kill. Did we try to ask for a second one free? Nope we went right into offering to pay for it.

Save your time and go to someone who really focuses on their customers and someone who really wants to get you on an animal.
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#6503651 - 10/20/16 07:33 AM Re: My Experience at WTF Ranch.... Long Read [Re: jtprocaddie]
don k Online   content
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Registered: 08/27/08
Posts: 9285
Loc: Bandera, Tx
Over the years I have been contacted a number of times by either writers or video people wanting to write or film. Most wanted to do this not out of the kindness of their heart but for a free hunt. In exchange they would advertise for me. I have never taken any up on the offer. I have always thought the word of mouth is your best advertisement. And now that face book is around filming may be the worst kind of advertisement you can have. Also as small an operation as I have what do I need my name plastered up in front of too many. When you only sell 10 or so Deer and the like amount of Ibex a year it you don't need to reach out to the entire country. And many times it is better if you don't.
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#6503726 - 10/20/16 08:16 AM Re: My Experience at WTF Ranch.... Long Read [Re: jtprocaddie]
Lonnie Paul Walker Jr. Offline
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Registered: 07/29/10
Posts: 1878
Loc: Santo, TX
Very true Don. Above anything in this world , there is no better advertisement than a happy client.
It's funny I have been in lots of videos and promos, and researched the responses. Only about 3% of new clients come from videos, the rest is all word of mouth. Don hit on another point that is very true, 8 out of 10 are only after free hunts. Sad how a few spoil the whole batch.
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#6503743 - 10/20/16 08:26 AM Re: My Experience at WTF Ranch.... Long Read [Re: jtprocaddie]
txbobcat Offline
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Registered: 06/18/05
Posts: 2469
Loc: TX
There are also plenty of ranches wanting something for nothing these days. Having done some video work in the past there is a LOT of time involved in a good video. It goes both ways.

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#6503757 - 10/20/16 08:33 AM Re: My Experience at WTF Ranch.... Long Read [Re: txbobcat]
jtprocaddie Offline
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Registered: 12/22/13
Posts: 690
Loc: Houston, Texas
Originally Posted By: txbobcat
There are also plenty of ranches wanting something for nothing these days. Having done some video work in the past there is a LOT of time involved in a good video. It goes both ways.


Agreed.. Those weekend warriors with a camera ruin it for the real videogrophers who will make a USABLE and valuable video fro the ranch.

I am NOT advertising that I will personally bring you more business, because honestly that would be a lie. How many people actually call a ranch that see a number flash on a screen during a hunting show? Not that many...

However how many people contact you on a daily basis that is asking questions about your ranch, do you have pictures? do people actually kill animals? how is the lodging? what does the ranch set up look like?

With a good promotional video (short and long) you can target these customers with the video marketing and they can see for themselves. It is my goal to produce a FANTASTIC marketign tool for the RANCH to use to close sales, and gain business.

The videos are built around the needs of the ranch, not the needs of myself "trying to get a free hunt." as some see it.
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#6503759 - 10/20/16 08:35 AM Re: My Experience at WTF Ranch.... Long Read [Re: jtprocaddie]
jtprocaddie Offline
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Registered: 12/22/13
Posts: 690
Loc: Houston, Texas
This is why I also offer a guarantee. If you provide the one animal for the Kill, and at the end of the video you hate it and think it is a wasted effort and you think you will never use that video to market your ranch, then i will pay for the animal that was provided no questions asked.
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#6508905 - 10/24/16 11:17 AM Re: My Experience at WTF Ranch.... Long Read [Re: jtprocaddie]
.257 guy Offline
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Registered: 11/29/12
Posts: 366
Loc: Baytown,Texas
I'm going to make one statement here. I am not going to address what happened on your particular weekend at WTF Ranch...... I was not there obviously and have zero knowledge about the agreement or what actually did or did not happen

Roll back to April, 2014. I asked my wife "what do you want for your 40th birthday........contiguous U.S. Is the only limitation "
She said that she simply wanted to go hunting, nothing big, just meat for the freezer.

I found a post from Gladesgator stating that he had some red deer hinds that needed to be taken. I believe it was $400 per hind. I called, booked the hunt, & reserved the hotel room in nacogdoches because he didn't have lodging.
Well the birthday weekend in March comes around and we arrive to a wet, rainy, cool weather weekend. We hunted Friday evening...... nothing but whitetail and blackbuck.
We hunted Saturday morning.... same thing, whitetail and blackbuck.
We did drive around to try and find the red deer and spot and stalk but to no avail.
Saturday evening comes around and it's getting late in the hunt...... nothing but blackbucks. At almost the end of legal shooting light a BIG BRUISER of an axis walks out and Rick says " look, I'm not sure why we are not seeing the red deer. Y'all were going to shoot two for $800......... if your wife wants to take that Axis, kill him and I'll only charge you $1,000..... just $200 more than you were gonna spend. I told him no, I only brought $800 cash with me for the 2 hinds....(times were a bit tougher then)...... Rick says, " no problem, just send the other $200 when you can.




Rick went out of his way to make it a great weekend for my wife and I and regardless of what is said in this post, I'm here to tell ya, Rick is good people and I would not hesitate to recommend him to anyone and if I ever get the chance again, I'd love to hunt with him again


Edited by .257 guy (10/24/16 11:21 AM)

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#6509310 - 10/24/16 02:43 PM Re: My Experience at WTF Ranch.... Long Read [Re: .257 guy]
Stykes Offline
Woodsman

Registered: 02/06/08
Posts: 166
Loc: Texas
I always find these posts interesting and there is always two sides to a story. But that's one hell of a testimonial.
Nice Axis!

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