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Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/15/16 04:02 PM
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I have been paying a gunsmith to do them for me for years but quail season opens in two weeks and i dont have time to wait on him. I want it cut down to around 22 inches and know i have to cut it on a rib support. Any tips or sugestions before i get started. Its a new browning maxus and a new a5. Thanks
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/15/16 04:14 PM
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Use a new hacksaw blade, and a hand saw. Get your wife or kid to hold it for you....
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/15/16 05:37 PM
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Are you going to hunt without a front bead?
Don’t roll those bloodshot eyes at me.
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/15/16 06:20 PM
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Yes sir. No beads for me. They get in the way
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/15/16 06:55 PM
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Hacksaw, then smooth, even and square with a file, then de-burr with a light touch of a small file around the outside, a sharp knife around the inside. Then there is the cold blue option to consider.
A drop or so of oil and you are all done.
The way that I do it is a bit more elaborate and requires special tools - but this method will get you by.
When you have time, a gunsmith can pretty it up for you, especially if you cut it 1/16" or so too long - so that he has a little bit of metal to work with.
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/15/16 06:58 PM
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Rose action sports does quick shotgun barrel work. They can cut it down and thread for chokes for $75. Last few I had done were 1 week turnaround
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/16/16 12:55 AM
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No issue hunting with no choke? I'd imagine cylinder bore could be a little unpredictable.
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/16/16 05:31 AM
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When I have hunted quail, ranges have been short and time to react has been minimal at best. That is at least half the fun of it, the other half coming later on when it is time to eat.
The gentleman doesn't care about the bead for example, because it is strictly a point and shoot proposition. Right up close. Shotgunning in its purest form. Using a choke will only insure that you either miss - or tear up the bird if you hit.
The terrain might have something to do with that... Where I have hunted quail, they can ghost off into the brush pretty danged quick.
It is more exciting and fun than dove hunting, in my opinion. - But that's just me.
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/16/16 01:11 PM
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"Using a choke will only insure that you either miss - or tear up the bird if you hit."
That's ridiculous, Charles. I can't believe a 'gunsmith' would make such a statement. P_102
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/16/16 02:02 PM
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/16/16 03:08 PM
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You better do a little research on how shortening the barrel will affect how it cycles, especially lighter loads like are normally used for quail. I knew a fellow who cut a barrel off to 22" and the gun would not cycle reliably while it had never given a problem with 26" factory barrel. He had to send the gun to a place that could open up the gas ports and it helped a lot but it would still not handle 3 dram loads 100% of the time. He sent the gun to a place in Batesville, AR that specialized in shotgun barrel work to get the problem corrected. That might not be an issue with your gun but worth looking into before rather than after.
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/16/16 06:45 PM
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"Using a choke will only insure that you either miss - or tear up the bird if you hit."
That's ridiculous, Charles. I can't believe a 'gunsmith' would make such a statement. P_102 My wife nailed one at close range with a modified choke, and all we got was a nice cloud of feathers. The bird was ruined. Sorry, but your opinion does not hold up in the face of observed fact. With a choked shotgun, your best bet is to hope that you catch the bird with the edge of the pattern. The tighter the choke, the more strongly this applies.
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/16/16 07:38 PM
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That would be correct with Modified, but your statement was "a choke" and then "a choked shotgun". It is simply wrong to include all chokes in your statement. P_102
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/16/16 08:02 PM
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Could be a cylinder choke. That would mess up your theory.
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/16/16 08:44 PM
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Look up "cylinder" for clarification on this point.
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/17/16 11:05 AM
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I'd be willing to bet that by far the most popular choke for quail hunting is Improved Cylinder. Skeet would be a distant second. I've bird hunted with some deadly gunners over the years and they shot all kinds of guns but I do not recall a one of them that did not shoot Improved Cylinder. I am not a great shooter but do best with IC as well. Many many years ago I decided to make a bird gun out of a tight shooting 870 by cutting 10" off a 30" full choke. It was indeed a bird gun if they got up in your face and you were a quick draw but I found it to be very inferior to a IC as an all purpose barrel for shooting birds or anything else for that matter. Cutting the choke completely out of a shotgun barrel is probably not going to work out too good for anything in the way of a quail bird gun.
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10/17/16 11:33 AM
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Shooting cylinder (no choke) is fine out to about 25 yards provided you have enough shot in your pattern. I shoot light 1 oz. loads through cylinder on the skeet range with no problems, BUT, it's through a cylinder choke that ensures a good even pattern, (and yes I'm fully aware that "cylinder choke" is nonsensical but that's what they're called, probably better to call it a thread protector). However, that doesn't mean that blanket statements like above are in any way correct. If I were to settle for one choke only it would be Improved. P_102
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10/17/16 11:35 AM
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Shot skeet leagues with M12 Winchester that started life with a 30 inch full choke and when I got it the barrel had been cut to 22 inches. It was a good skeet and quail gun at least for close shots. 25 yards and in the patterns with reloads at a mild 1050fps there were no holes in the pattern where a clay would not be hit due to lack of pattern density. Go to faster loads and holes would develop but at the slower speeds those loads still broke clays well and dropped quail as well
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/17/16 11:39 AM
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I totally agree with you arandy. By the way what part of SW Arkansas are you in? My family owned land outside of Nashville and another place outside of Mineral Springs from the 50's until my mother sold the land in 2003. Killed a lot of quail there in the 70's.
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/17/16 12:42 PM
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[quote=P_102]"Using a choke will only insure that you either miss - or tear up the bird if you hit."
That's ridiculous, Charles. I can't believe a 'gunsmith' would make such a statement. P_102 [/ quote] +1 this is the best place on the internet to get misinformation
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10/17/16 12:49 PM
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seems pretty evident to me that using a modified choke on quail at 25yd, is just plain stupid.
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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10/17/16 01:27 PM
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Do not trifle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/18/16 03:51 AM
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I killed close to 300 quail last year with a new a5 that had barrel cut down to 22 1/2". No choke. It works and works well..
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Re: Cutting off shotgun barrel
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10/18/16 10:43 AM
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I killed close to 300 quail last year with a new a5 that had barrel cut down to 22 1/2". No choke. It works and works well.. You are just going to confuse and offend some of these experts on quail hunting if you keep bringing up facts, and real-world as opposed to theoretical experience.
Last edited by charlesb; 10/18/16 10:44 AM.
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