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#6492778 - 10/12/16 04:52 PM So I'm hunting in the back of my property next to a fence line
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I'll about 60-80 yards from the fence line of about 5k acres that isn't really hunted and I'm wondering you guys opinion. This year a decided to shoot my 30.06 instead of my 270 in hopes knock down power. My question to you guys is this. What is your favorite bullet for dropping in Johnny on the spot. I know I know, shot placement is everything some say but I believe and know that bullet quality is just as important. I do not want to take a chance of loosing the biggest buck of my life over the fence or have to drag one that far by myself either.

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#6492798 - 10/12/16 05:08 PM Re: So I'm hunting in the back of my property next to a fence line [Re: sunsetroosters]
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A vitals shot never guarantees a DRT shot. Bullet isn't especially important either. What is important is shot placement. If you use the high shoulder shot they are almost guaranteed to drop in their teacks. There is a long thread about it let me find it and I'll get ya a link. This shot can easily be done with the 270 as well.
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#6492801 - 10/12/16 05:10 PM Re: So I'm hunting in the back of my property next to a fence line [Re: sunsetroosters]
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#6492835 - 10/12/16 05:28 PM Re: So I'm hunting in the back of my property next to a fence line [Re: sunsetroosters]
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Thanks brother

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#6492853 - 10/12/16 05:44 PM Re: So I'm hunting in the back of my property next to a fence line [Re: sunsetroosters]
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My opinion - ballistic numbers aside, there is virtually no difference in "killing power", whatever that is, between a 270 and 30-06. The few hundred pounds of force between those rounds at distance is negligible on a thin skinned animal like a deer.

It is FAR more important to have good placement.

Bullet choice can also make a difference, but is mostly counter intuitive. Assuming a heart/lung perfect shot, what will drop an animal more quickly in their tracks is the rapid hydrostatic shock. Several bullets are designed to do this, but it's not the more solid penetrating rounds. Bullets that more rapidly and fully transfer the energy from the projectile into the animal will cause the most damage and hydro shock. These are almost always frangible bullets like Berger or other ballistic tips. In this case, you DONT want a passthru - you want a bullet that virtually explodes.

But there a number of issues with such rounds, and most folks - even some knowledgeable ones - will talk bad about them and try to convince you that it just isn't so. They'd be wrong. But there ARE issues with these rounds - they damage meat, are sometimes inconsistent, and some may fragment on impact. Berger bullets are excellent though, I am sold on them.

But rather than playing with bullets or going big - the best advice I would give is use a rifle you are very good with and get even better. Practice. My daughter, for example, is found of neck shots and she is very good. She severs the spine and breaks neck and the animal simply falls over without a step, every time. Provided you make a good shot. She shoots a .270 with 150gr Fusion

That being said, I also know a older gentleman that drops his deer in a similar manner and he shoots a .243 and sometimes a 7mm-08!!!

Of course, while heart/lung shots are the easiest and most common, I once helped track a freaking WT doe for 600 yards that basically had no heart (almost liquidified) after being big shot at 110 yards with a .300 WinMag.

So go figure.

I hunt a small property with a-hole, anti hunting neighbors. I MUST drop my animals, especially the big axis, before they can go the 80 yards to the fence. I have been known to take my .375 H&H and bust them in the running gear Lol.


Edited by John Humbert (10/12/16 05:50 PM)

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#6492887 - 10/12/16 06:17 PM Re: So I'm hunting in the back of my property next to a fence line [Re: sunsetroosters]
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Where do you guys think the best shot placement is to drop them in there tracks. I shot a buck last year through both lungs with a 100grain centex bullet and the bullet passed straight through. With that said I had to drag that buck 300 yards in the soupy mud. I almost died lol. That led to why I am asking this now, because I don't want to face this again. If I have a monster buck that is freak mcnasty in front of me, I'm not scared to say that I don't care about the shoulder meat and want him to stay right where I shoot him.

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#6492895 - 10/12/16 06:27 PM Re: So I'm hunting in the back of my property next to a fence line [Re: sunsetroosters]
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The high shoulder shot is the only way i have found to drop one in its tracks.

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#6492899 - 10/12/16 06:28 PM Re: So I'm hunting in the back of my property next to a fence line [Re: sunsetroosters]
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Barring a headshot, which I am not a fan of and would obviously ruin a trophy, a neck/high shoulder shot that breaks neck or severe spine and the animal will fall over dead without taking a step. But if you aren't comfortable with that shot, then a shoulder shot that takes out one or both legs will likely pin the animal to a spot and allow a second shot if needed.

But percentage wise, for most hunters - including myself - a good well placed heart/lung shot will, is the safest, highest percentage clean kill and won't go very far - you might lose one over the fence now and then - that's the way it goes. But it still the time-tested, tried and true kill shot. If you aren't comfortable and well practiced on neck/high shoulder shots, I'd stick with the basics.

If the buck of a lifetime walks out, trust me, it is NOT the time to try a neck or other shot that you are not absolutely confident in taking


Edited by John Humbert (10/12/16 06:33 PM)

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#6492920 - 10/12/16 06:40 PM Re: So I'm hunting in the back of my property next to a fence line [Re: sunsetroosters]
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Thinking back over the years, most deer I shot that didn't drop usually ran in the direction they were facing, as long as they weren't facing me and the sound of the rifle. So, wait till they are facing away from that dreaded fence line.

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#6492923 - 10/12/16 06:41 PM Re: So I'm hunting in the back of my property next to a fence line [Re: sunsetroosters]
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.243 you can shoot accurately will do you as good a job anchoring a buck.
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#6492974 - 10/12/16 07:19 PM Re: So I'm hunting in the back of my property next to a fence line [Re: sunsetroosters]
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I can shoot really well. Do shot placenment is not of my concern. I can put it where it needs to go, just need to know where that neck or high shoulder shot should go.

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#6492990 - 10/12/16 07:31 PM Re: So I'm hunting in the back of my property next to a fence line [Re: sunsetroosters]
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Originally Posted By: sunsetroosters
I can shoot really well. Do shot placenment is not of my concern. I can put it where it needs to go, just need to know where that neck or high shoulder shot should go.


Look at a deer anatomy drawing. Put the bullet right on the spine.

Deer will collapse to ground and not move. DRT.

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#6493005 - 10/12/16 07:44 PM Re: So I'm hunting in the back of my property next to a fence line [Re: sunsetroosters]
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The link I posted has pics of where to aim for high shoulder
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#6493009 - 10/12/16 07:47 PM Re: So I'm hunting in the back of my property next to a fence line [Re: sunsetroosters]
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#6493013 - 10/12/16 07:47 PM Re: So I'm hunting in the back of my property next to a fence line [Re: SapperTitan]
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The link I posted has pics of where to aim for high shoulder


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