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Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 07:17 PM
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So I was at academy buying some ammo and as I'm looking around I hear a soldier talking to a guy at the gun counter. The first thing that caught my attention was when the soldier says "Im looking to get into long range shooting out to 400 yds but I don't know where to aim at different distances after zeroing at 100 yds" Immediately I thought ok I can't wait to hear the Academy gun guys answer to this. He says" its easy man just zero at 100 and then the bullet will drop 1 inch every hundred yards so at 100 you aim dad on, 200 aim 1 inch high, 300 aim 2 inches high, 400 aim 3 in high, 500 aim 4 in high and so on" Soldier shakes his head and say s sweet thats way easier than I thought. I guess he is shooting the worlds flatest and fastest round ever heard of for such little drop and the clerk didn't even ask what rifle or caliber he was shooting. I just shook my head and walked off. I thought about intervening but decided not to. First off you would have thought a SSG in the Army would have a little more knowledge in how a bullet works, you would also think he would have done a little research before thinking he could just jump into long range shooting, you would also think he would know 400 yds isn't long range, and last you would think the guy working at the gun counter would have atleast some knowledge in guns and ballistics and how they work. The whole thing blew my mind.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 07:27 PM
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Do you think Academy questions them on their gun and ammo knowledge? No way. If the employee knows how to run a cash register, stock material on shelves and dial the NICS back ground system, then they are GTG.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 07:28 PM
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Do you think Academy questions them on their gun and ammo knowledge? No way. If the employee knows how to run a cash register, stock material on shelves and dial the NICS back ground system, then they are GTG. I would hope if they are put in a specific section then they would have some knowledge on what they are attempting to sell but apparently not. Oh and can you load me up 100 rounds of 6.8 that only drops 9 inches at 1000 yds?
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 07:33 PM
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very few, maybe 1% know anything about any product
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 07:35 PM
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Oh and can you load me up 100 rounds of 6.8 that only drops 9 inches at 1000 yds? That would be a "laser" (pinky on the corner of my mouth). LOL!
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 07:35 PM
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I worked at an academy for about 6 months when i was 18, left because i realized there was nothin for me to learn there other than I needed a much higher paying job. Im no guns and ammo expert, but I could give better advice to people asking questions than anyone else that worked in the huntin and fishing department. If I didnt know then i would say "sorry sir, I dont know enough about that to advise you"
And yes, sadly, I seem to expect that our military soldiers would know better.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 07:40 PM
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I worked at an academy for about 6 months when i was 18, left because i realized there was nothin for me to learn there other than I needed a much higher paying job. Im no guns and ammo expert, but I could give better advice to people asking questions than anyone else that worked in the huntin and fishing department. If I didnt know then i would say "sorry sir, I dont know enough about that to advise you"
And yes, sadly, I seem to expect that our military soldiers would know better. Id rather be told i don't know any day than to be given bad advice.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 07:49 PM
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i try not to ask questions at walmart, kroger, academy, bass amateur shop, or cowbellys. if i don't see it, i figure they don't have any of whatever it is.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 07:57 PM
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Do you think Academy questions them on their gun and ammo knowledge? No way. If the employee knows how to run a cash register, stock material on shelves and dial the NICS back ground system, then they are GTG. I would hope if they are put in a specific section then they would have some knowledge on what they are attempting to sell but apparently not. He is a retail clerk in a big box store, not a shooting instructor. Not sure why you would expect him to have such knowledge. His job is to show you handguns, rifles, and shotguns... nothing more.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 08:04 PM
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I'd never expect good information at Academy. I hate the customers that hang out in the hunting section wanting to talk to anyone and everyone about whatever gun conspiracy they read about on the internet. I didn't ask you about it, I have already heard it before, I am not interested in it, why did you start talking to me in the first place?
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 08:07 PM
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OP you witnessed "when dummies collide". One for giving advice on something he obviously had no idea about. The other for asking long range shooting advice at a big box retailer.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 08:10 PM
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Do you think Academy questions them on their gun and ammo knowledge? No way. If the employee knows how to run a cash register, stock material on shelves and dial the NICS back ground system, then they are GTG. I would hope if they are put in a specific section then they would have some knowledge on what they are attempting to sell but apparently not. He is a retail clerk in a big box store, not a shooting instructor. Not sure why you would expect him to have such knowledge. His job is to show you handguns, rifles, and shotguns... nothing more. I don't expect him to be a shooting instructor but i do expect him to have some knowledge on a subject if he is going to explain it to someone. If he didn't know he should have said IDK.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 08:28 PM
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Gun counter guy should've said "I don't know".
Wish I was standing there.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 08:39 PM
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I can't listen to them. I have wanted to throat punch every Academy gun counter guy I have came across.
Haven't had it in years but never spit any out. I am a sucker for happy endings and strapped cowboys.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 08:59 PM
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first mistake, asking Academy person anything other than , "can I see" if you are looking for any other answer than "sure" you are a dummy for even going there in the first place.
you go there to buy, not to gather info. grab your chit off the shelf, pay and leave, simple
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 09:07 PM
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Heck I don't know where they find them. I'd consider myself about average on knowledge and they wouldn't hire me. Maybe I would make them look bad. I don't know.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 09:09 PM
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first mistake, asking Academy person anything other than , "can I see" if you are looking for any other answer than "sure" you are a dummy for even going there in the first place.
you go there to buy, not to gather info. grab your chit off the shelf, pay and leave, simple
I'm with you. Cant tell you how many times I have stood there waiting on the endless dumb questions to be answered by them, and I cant get anyone to hand me a couple boxes of 22.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 09:25 PM
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That's like asking a kid working at Queen Burger how to cook the perfect steak.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 09:35 PM
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They shouldn't be expected to be experts, but should be accountable for basic information and advice. Killing time at the local academy one evening, I asked to see a glock 40 10mm. The grown man behind the counter autonomously interjects he doesn't understand anyone's attraction to the 10mm caliber when you could find more ammo availability and at a cheaper cost by going with the more popular 9mm. To which he expressed the only difference is the 10mm is one millimeter bigger and encouraged me to take a look at a glock 17 instead. I just said no thanks and continued shopping.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 09:55 PM
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I'd never expect good information at Academy. I hate the customers that hang out in the hunting section wanting to talk to anyone and everyone about whatever gun conspiracy they read about on the internet. I didn't ask you about it, I have already heard it before, I am not interested in it, why did you start talking to me in the first place? This is a LOT of gun stores, not just Academy. I call them the unemployed "What you oughta do..." crowd.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 10:33 PM
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With all the information that's available on the Internet for anyone looking to buy anything, all a person needs from a store clerk is the price and location of the check out counter.
Of course determining fact from fiction while searching the Web for information can be a little challenging sometimes.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 11:17 PM
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So I was at academy buying some ammo and as I'm looking around I hear a soldier talking to a guy at the gun counter. The first thing that caught my attention was when the soldier says "Im looking to get into long range shooting out to 400 yds but I don't know where to aim at different distances after zeroing at 100 yds" Immediately I thought ok I can't wait to hear the Academy gun guys answer to this. He says" its easy man just zero at 100 and then the bullet will drop 1 inch every hundred yards so at 100 you aim dad on, 200 aim 1 inch high, 300 aim 2 inches high, 400 aim 3 in high, 500 aim 4 in high and so on" Soldier shakes his head and say s sweet thats way easier than I thought. I guess he is shooting the worlds flatest and fastest round ever heard of for such little drop and the clerk didn't even ask what rifle or caliber he was shooting. I just shook my head and walked off. I thought about intervening but decided not to. First off you would have thought a SSG in the Army would have a little more knowledge in how a bullet works, you would also think he would have done a little research before thinking he could just jump into long range shooting, you would also think he would know 400 yds isn't long range, and last you would think the guy working at the gun counter would have atleast some knowledge in guns and ballistics and how they work. The whole thing blew my mind. my .02, there is no excuse for any one working in retail not to inform them selves on as many products as they can. if they don't know the answer, the correct answer is I DON'T KNOW BUT WILL FIND OUT
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 11:33 PM
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If you know what you want,buy your rifle or pistol then go to the gunsmith for technical advice or answers.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/11/16 11:53 PM
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They are not all ill informed or ignorant.
One of the best gunsmiths/makers I have ever known was an Academy employee, but he is the exception to the rule.
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Re: Academy gun clerks, who hires these people
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10/12/16 12:27 AM
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There is a gun guy at the Texarkana Academy who is great. Even though he is an old navy guy. He seems knowlgeable and enjoys talking guns. I've purchased 3 rifles and a shotgun there because I like how he handles the transactions. There is a lady at that gun counter who knows more than most and is very personable as well. Now in general, I stay away from gun counter people who look younger than 50. Retired old dudes working the counter part time are way better than any of the 25-35 tacticool guys.
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