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#6483563 - 10/06/16 09:49 AM Help with soft, e-collar wise dog.
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So my little 18 month old yellow lab is well started, can get singles fine, but was abused as a pup and its extremely soft. Any level of stimulus from the E-collar and she yelps.

She's also smart, in that when she has the e-collar on, she acts perfectly. 100% obedience. But when it's off, she chooses when she wants to obey me. Specifically, about 20% of the time when I tell her to come, she doesnt.

My two questions:

1) Should I use the collar despite her extreme level of softness? I'd like to use the collar for the next steps in her training, but the vibration setting has no effect and level one makes her yelp, bite her tongue and generally freak out. I've tested it on myself and its not even close to painful. Have any of you had this experience? What should I do?

2) What can I do to get her to obey with the same consistency when the collar is off as when the collar is on?

thanks in advance guys
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#6483643 - 10/06/16 10:35 AM Re: Help with soft, e-collar wise dog. [Re: AndrewOSpencer]
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It's doesn't take much at all for a dog to be collar wise.

Also stop giving commands you cannot enforce. This is creating a bad habit.

Yes I would still use it. You could also get a collar that vibrates or used a tone instead of a shock.

Put the collar on at random times without shocking the dog. On and off. I would do this for at least a few weeks without ever using it. I would still train the dog and even train with it on but don't shock the dog.

What training program are you following for obedience and the shock collar??


Edited by MS1454 (10/06/16 10:36 AM)
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#6483646 - 10/06/16 10:38 AM Re: Help with soft, e-collar wise dog. [Re: AndrewOSpencer]
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I had a similar problem with my wife ------------- I suggest leave the collar off,,, when she wont come, go to her with the collar in your hand and shock the crap out of her. Teach her that you are the boss ----right now she is teaching you that she is the boss-----NOT to punish her encourages her to disobey and reinforces her thought that she can do whatever she wants.
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#6483649 - 10/06/16 10:40 AM Re: Help with soft, e-collar wise dog. [Re: AndrewOSpencer]
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One thing to remember about a collar,,,,,,,,, they punish,,, they dont teach------------
just read MS's advice,,,, it is all good.
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#6483653 - 10/06/16 10:43 AM Re: Help with soft, e-collar wise dog. [Re: MS1454]
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Originally Posted By: MS1454
It's doesn't take much at all for a dog to be collar wise.

What training program are you following for obedience and the shock collar??


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#6483665 - 10/06/16 10:50 AM Re: Help with soft, e-collar wise dog. [Re: AndrewOSpencer]
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Yep, that's why I'm perplexed. Collar on and I say "Here" and she runs as hard as she can to me. Collar off, I say "here" and its only about 80% responsive and without the "vigor" if that makes since.

I took her on a hunt without the collar and she lazily took her time returning to me. Or didn't until she was ready.

The rest of teal season she wore her collar and was appropriate.
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#6483725 - 10/06/16 11:32 AM Re: Help with soft, e-collar wise dog. [Re: AndrewOSpencer]
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What collar are we talking about? I ask because the SportDog has two different levels. You have to program the collar for the lower level. The higher level my dog would yipe on 1 in a fairly intense situation so I knew it was to hot for her. The Tritronics G3 I had previous to the SportDog was much like the lower setting on the SportDog.

You have to make the consequence not worth continuing the action...and you have to be consistent about it. Example...I stick my head out the back door and yell "here" and both our dogs come. Wife sticks her head out the back down and yells "here" and both dogs look at her as if they are flipping her off. If the dogs don't come for me I go get them and make the trip back to the house uncomfortable (not hurting them) and if they don't come for her she just complains or continues to say "here". Consistency is the key here...my 2 cents.
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#6483779 - 10/06/16 12:01 PM Re: Help with soft, e-collar wise dog. [Re: Judd]
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What collar are we talking about? I ask because the SportDog has two different levels. You have to program the collar for the lower level. The higher level my dog would yipe on 1 in a fairly intense situation so I knew it was to hot for her. The Tritronics G3 I had previous to the SportDog was much like the lower setting on the SportDog.

You have to make the consequence not worth continuing the action...and you have to be consistent about it. Example...I stick my head out the back door and yell "here" and both our dogs come. Wife sticks her head out the back down and yells "here" and both dogs look at her as if they are flipping her off. If the dogs don't come for me I go get them and make the trip back to the house uncomfortable (not hurting them) and if they don't come for her she just complains or continues to say "here". Consistency is the key here...my 2 cents.
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#6483797 - 10/06/16 12:15 PM Re: Help with soft, e-collar wise dog. [Re: AndrewOSpencer]
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Consistency is key but I think a different approach is needed with a more sensitive dog.
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#6483803 - 10/06/16 12:18 PM Re: Help with soft, e-collar wise dog. [Re: AndrewOSpencer]
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SportDog. mine has the high and low level (1-10 each level) I have it on the lowest level. The vibrate/sound has no effect on her.
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#6484072 - 10/06/16 03:18 PM Re: Help with soft, e-collar wise dog. [Re: dune2218]
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Originally Posted By: dune2218
I had a similar problem with my wife ------------- I suggest leave the collar off,,, when she wont come, go to her with the collar in your hand and shock the crap out of her. Teach her that you are the boss ----right now she is teaching you that she is the boss-----NOT to punish her encourages her to disobey and reinforces her thought that she can do whatever she wants.


Dumbest advise I've ever heard.^^^

Do not punish her for disobeying....find a way to make sure she can't disobey. If that means putting a 75 foot rope on her than do that.

Also....e-collars are not used for just punishment. You are right about not teaching with the collar but they can also be used to reinforce a command they are already doing.

#1 Never take her out without the collar. With enough reps and time she will eventually be conditioned to give the desired response but until then do not give a command you can't enforce. You can also put a long lead on to enforce commands. I would also suggest possibly getting a Dogtra collar that you can turn way down. Level 1 on a Dogtra arc or 1900s is literally nothing.

I would follow Hillmann's material with a dog like yours because it involves only very light stim and little to no actual corrections with the collar just reinforcement. Go back to the basics and build her confidence and make it fun and then add in some very very light nicks on the "here" command with the Dogtra collar that you can turn way way down.


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#6484118 - 10/06/16 03:37 PM Re: Help with soft, e-collar wise dog. [Re: AndrewOSpencer]
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Originally Posted By: AndrewOSpencer
SportDog. mine has the high and low level (1-10 each level) I have it on the lowest level. The vibrate/sound has no effect on her.




You have to condition the dog to it sounds/sensation of the vibrate. Of course they have no effect yet, that's for you to teach. You should try to join a local retriever club to get some help. Only so much can be done through a forum.
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#6484337 - 10/06/16 06:02 PM Re: Help with soft, e-collar wise dog. [Re: dune2218]
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Originally Posted By: dune2218
One thing to remember about a collar,,,,,,,,, they punish,,, they dont teach------------
just read MS's advice,,,, it is all good.


I disagree with the comment on collar training.

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#6484624 - 10/06/16 09:28 PM Re: Help with soft, e-collar wise dog. [Re: AndrewOSpencer]
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Judd is right on point however there are a couple of other things to consider. Call me, I can help.
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#6484803 - 10/07/16 06:15 AM Re: Help with soft, e-collar wise dog. [Re: dune2218]
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Originally Posted By: dune2218
One thing to remember about a collar,,,,,,,,, they punish,,, they dont teach------------
just read MS's advice,,,, it is all good.


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