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#6473026 - 09/28/16 09:34 PM Junk dove loads
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So I bought a case of Suprema 7.5, 1oz, 1315fps shells. I can't believe how many birds I'm wounding. Tonight I hit 11 and dropped 2. Out of those 9, 7 lost feathers and kept flying and 2 drifted in the woods on the neighbors property. Yesterday I dropped 5, lost 6. All of these were around 40 yards, same range I was dropping em left and right with Monarchs. Have any of yall had any problems with these before? I honestly think my kill percentage would be better if I was shooting bottom-of-the-barrel 1200fps trap loads
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#6473593 - 09/29/16 11:18 AM Re: Junk dove loads [Re: Fishuhalik]
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Just hit them in the head. Just takes one pellet. Seams like I hit more in the head with my 410 then my 20ga.
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#6473605 - 09/29/16 11:27 AM Re: Junk dove loads [Re: Fishuhalik]
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What choke? Have you actually patterned the load in your gun?
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#6473724 - 09/29/16 12:45 PM Re: Junk dove loads [Re: Fishuhalik]
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anybody can have an off day.
lead the bird a little bit more.


also consider a bird dog. nothing helps more on lost birds than a great retriever.
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#6473764 - 09/29/16 01:18 PM Re: Junk dove loads [Re: David Maas]
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Originally Posted By: David Maas
What choke? Have you actually patterned the load in your gun?


This! Faster shells normally don't pattern as good as a slower load. May take more choke.

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#6473791 - 09/29/16 01:35 PM Re: Junk dove loads [Re: Fishuhalik]
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Originally Posted By: Fishuhalik
So I bought a case of Suprema 7.5, 1oz, 1315fps shells. I can't believe how many birds I'm wounding. Tonight I hit 11 and dropped 2. Out of those 9, 7 lost feathers and kept flying and 2 drifted in the woods on the neighbors property. Yesterday I dropped 5, lost 6. All of these were around 40 yards, same range I was dropping em left and right with Monarchs. Have any of yall had any problems with these before? I honestly think my kill percentage would be better if I was shooting bottom-of-the-barrel 1200fps trap loads


You are actually right... It's a proven fact that shooting loads with speeds over about 1200 FPS will add to the amount of pellet distortion that occurs in the back of the shot string. Results are holes in your pattern, ragged-spreadout shot strings and more "fliers". depending on the wad and shot quality in the shell, this can become extreme the hotter the loads are.
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#6473813 - 09/29/16 01:49 PM Re: Junk dove loads [Re: Fishuhalik]
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Err... Monarchs are rated higher at 1350fps...
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#6473815 - 09/29/16 01:50 PM Re: Junk dove loads [Re: Fishuhalik]
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Just a guess here but your pattern may be coming apart once the shot moves from supersonic to subsonic. I know it's a concern for some of the long range rifle shooters.

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#6473827 - 09/29/16 01:59 PM Re: Junk dove loads [Re: BuckRage]
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Originally Posted By: BuckRage
Err... Monarchs are rated higher at 1350fps...


Could be a difference in wad construction (shock absorption) between the two. There's a lot of physics going on when a shell is fired and round pellets are horrible as far as aerodynamics are concerned. All I'm saying is the faster the load, the more variables enter into play as far as consistent patterning is concerned.
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#6473853 - 09/29/16 02:26 PM Re: Junk dove loads [Re: Fishuhalik]
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I haven't patterned it yet. I guess, in my limited 2 years of experience huntingn dove, if I hit em they usually go down. Ducks are a whole nuther story, but dove seem to go down pretty darn easy. As far as getting a dog, that's not really an option at this property. It's long and narrow, and if I don't drop birds dead, they sail over the fence into the neighbors property
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#6473855 - 09/29/16 02:27 PM Re: Junk dove loads [Re: Fishuhalik]
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Very good info on shot strings and everything else that was mentioned. Didn't really take that into consideration
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#6474066 - 09/29/16 05:01 PM Re: Junk dove loads [Re: First_Chance]
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Originally Posted By: First_Chance
Originally Posted By: Fishuhalik
So I bought a case of Suprema 7.5, 1oz, 1315fps shells. I can't believe how many birds I'm wounding. Tonight I hit 11 and dropped 2. Out of those 9, 7 lost feathers and kept flying and 2 drifted in the woods on the neighbors property. Yesterday I dropped 5, lost 6. All of these were around 40 yards, same range I was dropping em left and right with Monarchs. Have any of yall had any problems with these before? I honestly think my kill percentage would be better if I was shooting bottom-of-the-barrel 1200fps trap loads


You are actually right... It's a proven fact that shooting loads with speeds over about 1200 FPS will add to the amount of pellet distortion that occurs in the back of the shot string. Results are holes in your pattern, ragged-spreadout shot strings and more "fliers". depending on the wad and shot quality in the shell, this can become extreme the hotter the loads are.


I had this same problem and never took the speed into consideration. I have shot AA's out of my O/U for the entire 12 years that i've owned it, never anything else, i recently switched to Rio's, same shot size and weight, but 85 FPS faster than AA's, i was struggling really bad killing birds, and could not figure out why. I consider myself decent wing shooter, can normally kill a limit with less than 2 boxes of shells. I killed limits this weekend, but with 6.5 boxes of shells, i came home and jumped on the ole WWW and after reading a few articles, it dawned on me what was wrong , i feel i would have really improved my kill ratio had i switched to Light Modified and Modified!


Edited by Stickchunker (09/29/16 06:46 PM)
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#6474069 - 09/29/16 05:02 PM Re: Junk dove loads [Re: Fishuhalik]
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restating what I have said before , and been roasted for ----- get a gun and shells that you like and DONT CHANGE------ gun or shells. Shoot the same shells for 5 yrs if they are working for you, same with the gun,,, I use 20ga o/u for dove, quail, ducks, have shot the same winchester shells for 10 yrs,,,,,, the old saying,,, dont fix it if it aint broke.
So Monarch shells worked for you,,,, why would you change?? to save a $1 a box??? doesn't make any sense.
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#6474080 - 09/29/16 05:12 PM Re: Junk dove loads [Re: Fishuhalik]
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read stickchumker's post --------------- he changed shells,, went from 3 shells per bird ( which is terrible) to over 10 shells per bird with the new shells--------- his solution?? to change his chokes in his gun! I have to assume he posted that as comedy to give us all a smile.
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#6474117 - 09/29/16 05:43 PM Re: Junk dove loads [Re: Fishuhalik]
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slow your roll dune... this isn't life or death roflmao
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