Forums46
Topics537,970
Posts9,731,200
Members87,051
|
Most Online25,604 Feb 12th, 2024
|
|
|
Copper solvents vs. general cleaning solvents
#6467619
09/25/16 09:12 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 22,257
Texas Dan
OP
THF Celebrity
|
OP
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 22,257 |
So what's the difference in performance of cleaning solvents that are branded as copper solvents and general cleaning solvents that claim to remove copper fouling in addition to powder residue? Do the copper solvents work better at removing copper? Are the general solvents more effective at removing powder residue?
"Some people will never like you because your spirit irritates their demons."
|
|
|
Re: Copper solvents vs. general cleaning solvents
[Re: Texas Dan]
#6467658
09/25/16 09:39 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 3,637
DStroud
Extreme Tracker
|
Extreme Tracker
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 3,637 |
Some like the old Hoppe 9 clean carbon decently and will with enough work get the copper too. I would include Butch's,TM and Hoppe's Elite copper cleaner in that category too. If you have time and let them work they will eventually get the copper out. So to answer I would say yes copper solvents work faster for sure. The combo stuff will get there eventually.
Myself I prefer just to put one of the foaming cleaners in let it soak a while then see what the patch looks like and reapply until I am getting clean patches. If the original foaming shows lots of blue indicating copper I may use KG12 copper remover. I borrowed a Hawkeye bore scope a few years back to see what worked and what didn't just to answer the question you asked. If you know you have a serious copper issue JB bore paste is your friend and will make short work of it.
"Anyone taking up handloading necessarily plays with unknown factors and takes chances. But so does anyone who drives a car,goes to a cocktail party,eats in a restaurant,or gets married."
Jack O'Connor 1963
|
|
|
Re: Copper solvents vs. general cleaning solvents
[Re: Texas Dan]
#6467669
09/25/16 09:47 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 9,521
RiverRider
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 9,521 |
There is a product available called Dyna-Tek Bore Coat. When used as directed, it will significantly reduce metal fouling and make cleaning much easier. It ain't cheap though. I have a couple of kits waiting for the off season and I intend to treat one or two rifles to see how I like it, and if I do, I will treat the rest of them. I have a couple of rifles that metal foul heavily.
"Arguing with you always makes me thirsty." -Augustus McRae
|
|
|
Re: Copper solvents vs. general cleaning solvents
[Re: Texas Dan]
#6467754
09/25/16 10:51 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,062
Toxarch
Veteran Tracker
|
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,062 |
The foaming cleaners do a great job of getting copper fouling out. I foam it and then put it barrel-down over a paper towel.
It is far more important to be able to hit the target than it is to haggle over who makes a weapon or who pulls a trigger.
� Dwight D. Eisenhower
|
|
|
Re: Copper solvents vs. general cleaning solvents
[Re: Texas Dan]
#6467771
09/25/16 10:59 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 5,174
scottfromdallas
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 5,174 |
I've switched over to Wipe Out Foam and Wipe Out Tactical Advantage. Leave it in overnight and wipe out with a patch. Really good at removing copper, powder and carbon without using a brush. It has rust inhibitors so it's safe on the barrel.
|
|
|
Re: Copper solvents vs. general cleaning solvents
[Re: Texas Dan]
#6467856
09/25/16 11:50 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 4,506
syncerus
Extreme Tracker
|
Extreme Tracker
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 4,506 |
Another vote for Wipe Out / Patch Out. They are game changers.
NRA Patriot Benefactor & DSC Lifer
|
|
|
Re: Copper solvents vs. general cleaning solvents
[Re: Texas Dan]
#6467924
09/26/16 12:27 AM
|
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 352
cblackall
Bird Dog
|
Bird Dog
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 352 |
Typically your copper solvents are ammonia based I believe. Sweets, Butch's, etc. I don't get that ammonia smell with Wipeout, but it seems to work pretty well. I typically use Hoppes #9 for my general cleaning, probably more for nostalgia, and it's always worked fine for powder fouling. Hoppes is mild however, and really won't do much for copper. The others mentioned do a good job for the rare occasion I feel the need to "deep clean" or have a rifle that has excessive copper fouling. As mentioned, you'll know your getting copper when your patches come out blue. Be aware of false positives if you're also using a copper brush, and make sure to neutralize them after you're done cleaning. Copper solvents will eat up your brushes if you don't.
|
|
|
Re: Copper solvents vs. general cleaning solvents
[Re: Texas Dan]
#6468075
09/26/16 01:36 AM
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,499
charlesb
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,499 |
Harbor Freight sells some foaming thread-cutting oil, sulfur-based, intended for use with a pipe-threading machine. I accidentally discovered that the stuff does an outstanding job on carbon, better than anything else that I have encountered.
I run a patch wet with the cutting oil down the bore, let it sit a few minutes, then run a brush through two, or maybe three times. After that, a dry patch will come out pitch black, loaded up with carbon that has been knocked loose.
Kind regards, charlesb
|
|
|
Re: Copper solvents vs. general cleaning solvents
[Re: cblackall]
#6468209
09/26/16 02:42 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 22,257
Texas Dan
OP
THF Celebrity
|
OP
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 22,257 |
Be aware of false positives if you're also using a copper brush, and make sure to neutralize them after you're done cleaning. Copper solvents will eat up your brushes if you don't. I understand brass rod tips will also give false positives.
"Some people will never like you because your spirit irritates their demons."
|
|
|
Re: Copper solvents vs. general cleaning solvents
[Re: Texas Dan]
#6468544
09/26/16 01:46 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 5,920
Jgraider
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 5,920 |
I've started using Wipe-out foam in the last year or so and really like it. I've also found that if I run a few patches soaked with Kroil down the tube beforehand, it really cuts through the powder fouling and let's Wipe-out do it's job even better.
|
|
|
Moderated by bigbob_ftw, CCBIRDDOGMAN, Chickenman, Derek, DeRico, Duck_Hunter, hetman, jeh7mmmag, JustWingem, kmon11, kry226, kwrhuntinglab, Payne, pertnear, rifleman, sig226fan (Rguns.com), Superduty, TreeBass, txcornhusker
|