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#6466916 - 09/24/16 09:32 PM New 7mm rifle cartridge decisions
Amarillo.Hunter Offline
Light Foot

Registered: 01/24/16
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Hey all,
Looking to get me a new .284 rifle. Currently own a 257 Weatherby and love it, but am wanting something suitable for elk (hopeful future hunt), but also just want another rifle.

Looking at the 280, 280ai, 7mm Rem Mag, 7STW, 28 Nosler.

I "know" the 280/280ai will do anything I "need" them to do. But, also enjoy the margin of error provided in range estimates when making a quick decision to shoot a critter.

Curious as to what y'all think. Looking for both practicality and effectiveness at "sane" hunting ranges.

Thanks


Edited by Amarillo.Hunter (09/25/16 12:44 PM)

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#6466931 - 09/24/16 09:42 PM Re: New 7mm rifle cartridge decisions [Re: Amarillo.Hunter]
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I have a 7mm Ultra and am very happy with it. Hardly practical, but it works for me.
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#6467013 - 09/24/16 10:43 PM Re: New 7mm rifle cartridge decisions [Re: Amarillo.Hunter]
okierifleman Offline
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Registered: 04/14/12
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Loc: Houston
If you hand load, STW. If you dont, 7 RM

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#6467055 - 09/24/16 11:52 PM Re: New 7mm rifle cartridge decisions [Re: Amarillo.Hunter]
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Loc: Southern Oklahoma
This question comes up fairly often.
This was my answer a couple of years ago and is still the best advice I can give.

Originally Posted By: Ritter
Probably the most versatile and easiest to find factory loaded ammunition would be the 7 Magnum. With a 168 grain bullet around 2850-2900 fps you could take almost any game on the continent. Reduced velocity ammunition is even available for those times when you don't really need the energy of the full power load.

The 7 STW is a great caliber but with higher priced amuntition, less availability and slightly higher recoil.

The 7 ultra mag is my favorite of the over bore magnums. It easily handles the heaviest of the 7 mm bullets and can take game at distances that most people find hard to believe. It can be harder to find factory ammunition for than the 7 magnum but easier than the 7 STW. The ultra mag also has quite a bit of recoil for those that aren't used to shooting magnums.

Nosler is even offering their 28 Nosler to compete with the 300 RUM.

A 280 or a 280AI are both great cartridges but really perform better with 140 gr. ,and if really needed, 168 gr. bullets. They are both capable rounds but if you really want something a little more exotic and versatile you would probably be happier with the magnums.

Gunwerks offers factory loads for their 7 LRM. The ammo can get expensive if you shoot often but reloading really brings that expense down.

If you decide that you want to start reloading then your choices really open up. Cartridges like the 7mm Firebird and Sizzler 7 STW are definitely some of the more exotic ones out there.

I have owned rifles chambered in 7 RUM, 280 AI and 7 mag and I recently replaced all of these with the 7 LRM. I really like shooting the Berger 180 gr. hybrid at 3050 fps and only having to use 72 grains of H1000.

It probably comes down to choosing the bullet you want to shoot, how fast you want to push it, how much powder your willing to burn to do it and how difficult it can be to get all the components together.
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#6467084 - 09/25/16 02:08 AM Re: New 7mm rifle cartridge decisions [Re: Amarillo.Hunter]
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#6467138 - 09/25/16 07:57 AM Re: New 7mm rifle cartridge decisions [Re: Amarillo.Hunter]
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For practicality it is hard to beat the 7mm Rem Mag. It is by far my favorite big game cartridge for elk sized critters. If you don't hand load, it will provide the greatest selection of ammo as well.
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#6467250 - 09/25/16 09:48 AM Re: New 7mm rifle cartridge decisions [Re: Amarillo.Hunter]
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Do you handload? If not the 7 RM

Are you recoil shy? 280ai

Plan to shoot elk sized critters past 500-600 yds? 7 RM, 28, STW

1) For an elk gun that you could also use all around - 7 RM
2) For an all around gun that you could occasionally use on elk - 280ai
3) For a dedicated elk rig, I'd go 28 Nosler and have it throated for the heavies -- 180 VLD, the new Berger 195 EOL elite hunter, or 175 eldx

I debated this same question and opted for a 280ai. With bullets in 160 gr class, I get close to factory ammo velocities of 7 RM with handloads but with a fraction of the recoil -- I can shoot this gun all day long. The 280 is easy to load for and not finicky about powders/bullets. I'm getting 2950 fps with 168 VLD and maintain 1800 ft lbs energy to 550 yds.

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#6467310 - 09/25/16 10:51 AM Re: New 7mm rifle cartridge decisions [Re: Amarillo.Hunter]
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Redsnake pretty much nailed it.
The 280 or 280AI both are quite capable when hand loads are utilized.

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#6467340 - 09/25/16 11:28 AM Re: New 7mm rifle cartridge decisions [Re: Amarillo.Hunter]
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Registered: 01/10/16
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7mm STW.......

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#6467352 - 09/25/16 11:37 AM Re: New 7mm rifle cartridge decisions [Re: Amarillo.Hunter]
Amarillo.Hunter Offline
Light Foot

Registered: 01/24/16
Posts: 28
I don't currently handload but have all the parts to get started. I'm still using up my 257 weatherby $30 a box 100gr spire points. Sounds like any of the rounds will work. Grr, was hoping for a magic elixir.

To answer another posters question - I'm not recoil shy, but if I can get what I want without a whooping, why not go with something lighter (i.e., 208-280ai).

And, Ritter you pretty much covered what my copious amounts of research have turned up as well. Flip a coin or decide if this is a "dedicated" elk gun or a gun that could go elk hunting.


Edited by Amarillo.Hunter (09/25/16 12:44 PM)

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#6467363 - 09/25/16 11:51 AM Re: New 7mm rifle cartridge decisions [Re: Amarillo.Hunter]
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7-30 waters is what it need
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#6467376 - 09/25/16 11:59 AM Re: New 7mm rifle cartridge decisions [Re: Amarillo.Hunter]
7x57 Offline
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Registered: 10/28/15
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Loc: Laredo, TX
7x57, if you start handloading you can neckdown for your roberts and if you want more gusto you can AI the 7x57 and give it a good crank.

It's no ultra mag or STW, but a stout 7x57 is nothing to sneeze at. It'll do anything you could ask for under 300 yards. Federal greybox is only about 2600 fps with 140g bullet, but there's plenty more left in it. They scale it back so that the surplus fellas don't send a bolt through their heads. Keeps the recoil down in day to day situations too, which is always nice when you aren't trying to send a partition through a boulder.


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#6467419 - 09/25/16 12:55 PM Re: New 7mm rifle cartridge decisions [Re: Amarillo.Hunter]
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#6467427 - 09/25/16 01:00 PM Re: New 7mm rifle cartridge decisions [Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
txtrophy85 Offline
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Originally Posted By: ImTheReasonDovesMourn
284 Win.


I would love one in a model 88
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#6467448 - 09/25/16 01:23 PM Re: New 7mm rifle cartridge decisions [Re: txtrophy85]
kmon1 Offline
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Registered: 09/27/06
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Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
Originally Posted By: ImTheReasonDovesMourn
284 Win.


I would love one in a model 88


Looked at one of those at Cabela's in Allen this week. Had scope rail and factory sights missing. Pretty good condition though.
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