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#6430580 - 08/29/16 10:29 PM Round count for rifle zeroing
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I hit my personal best yesterday. Zeroed my uncle's Browning BAR LongTrac in 30-06 with Remington Core-Lockts in 150gr. The scope is a Vortex Crossfire II 6-18x44mm. On his birthday, we replaced the Leupold base/ring with a Warne one piece mount and Vortex Viper rings. He had problems with the leupy base twice in the past...got to shooting @ 25yd and it actually hit paper (yes!). Low and to the left. Adjusted for windage, a little better but still low. Tried to adjust elevation, but scope was topped out. Had this problem on the old base/rings, so I just turned it down like 3 or 4 turns and then started adjusting up...in the bull by shot 6. The rest of the 12 were @ 100yd and very easy, for a round count of 18.

My question: is this a good/ideal number of bullets to zero with or high or low? I've had to shoot guns up to 60rd to get them zeroed, even letting barrels cool, so that took much less time than those. And did I do right by bringing the topped-out elevation down and then adjusting? And what's your shortest zero, without laser or conventional boresighting (we just mounted it and things worked out lol, and being a Semi I couldn't do the barrel/scope thing)?
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#6430595 - 08/29/16 10:38 PM Re: Round count for rifle zeroing [Re: chital_shikari]
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If you have an accurate gun with a scope that tracks (one click is exactly what it should be), you can zero in 2 rounds.


Edited by Kevin1 (08/29/16 10:40 PM)

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#6430606 - 08/29/16 10:46 PM Re: Round count for rifle zeroing [Re: chital_shikari]
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If the gin was shooting low, and the scopes elevation was maxed out, how would turning the elevation turret down allow you to turn it up to the ZERO?

That doesn't compute in my head. I have been drinking so I may be fuzzy.

[Tried to adjust elevation, but scope was topped out. Had this problem on the old base/rings, so I just turned it down like 3 or 4 turns and then started adjusting up...in the bull by shot 6. The rest of the 12 were @ 100yd and very easy, for a round ]

This doesn't make sense


Edited by BigPig (08/29/16 10:47 PM)
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#6430610 - 08/29/16 10:47 PM Re: Round count for rifle zeroing [Re: chital_shikari]
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Ideally 2 shots. Rock solid mount & bore sighted. Fire 1st shot. Move crosshairs of scope to POI. Adjust gun to now be on bull. Fire 1 more & you should be done.
Not boresighted, start @ 25. Then move to 100. It should take <5 shots.
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#6430614 - 08/29/16 10:49 PM Re: Round count for rifle zeroing [Re: chital_shikari]
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18 is high. I'm not the greatest, but I have no idea why it would ever take 3 boxes to zero. I can get pretty close with two, usually, then fine tune with a few more from there. Long before I reach 60 rounds I will have decided that the rifle does not like the ammo and try something else.
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#6430621 - 08/29/16 10:59 PM Re: Round count for rifle zeroing [Re: chital_shikari]
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Originally Posted By: chital_shikari
I hit my personal best yesterday. Zeroed my uncle's Browning BAR LongTrac in 30-06 with Remington Core-Lockts in 150gr. The scope is a Vortex Crossfire II 6-18x44mm. On his birthday, we replaced the Leupold base/ring with a Warne one piece mount and Vortex Viper rings. He had problems with the leupy base twice in the past...got to shooting @ 25yd and it actually hit paper (yes!). Low and to the left. Adjusted for windage, a little better but still low. Tried to adjust elevation, but scope was topped out. Had this problem on the old base/rings, so I just turned it down like 3 or 4 turns and then started adjusting up...in the bull by shot 6. The rest of the 12 were @ 100yd and very easy, for a round count of 18.

My question: is this a good/ideal number of bullets to zero with or high or low? I've had to shoot guns up to 60rd to get them zeroed, even letting barrels cool, so that took much less time than those. And did I do right by bringing the topped-out elevation down and then adjusting? And what's your shortest zero, without laser or conventional boresighting (we just mounted it and things worked out lol, and being a Semi I couldn't do the barrel/scope thing)?


Good job, you are are doing well young man.


Edited by Just Nate (08/29/16 10:59 PM)

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#6430627 - 08/29/16 11:04 PM Re: Round count for rifle zeroing [Re: chital_shikari]
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I would be saying bad words if it took me more than 4 shots to zero a rifle. Normal is 3 shots but I get lots of practice at sighting in rifles. Did two AR's this weekend two shots for one and three shots on the other.

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#6430629 - 08/29/16 11:06 PM Re: Round count for rifle zeroing [Re: chital_shikari]
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You are doing well with that. With time and more experience you will get there in fewer rounds but have seen lots of people burn through boxes of ammo and not get their rifle what I consider zeroed.

Fewest I have ever used was one shot, shot 2 more to confirm. That was just luck for me.
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#6430631 - 08/29/16 11:07 PM Re: Round count for rifle zeroing [Re: chital_shikari]
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I usually go through a box (20) because I like to shoot groups while sighting in. I usually shoot with a bipod and my jacket under the rear of the rifle lol
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#6430632 - 08/29/16 11:07 PM Re: Round count for rifle zeroing [Re: chital_shikari]
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The accuracy of any rifle can be verified in a shot two from the bench. Determining the accuracy of the shooter without the conveniences of the bench is a different matter.
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#6430633 - 08/29/16 11:07 PM Re: Round count for rifle zeroing [Re: chital_shikari]
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Sounds like a lot of shots to me
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#6430640 - 08/29/16 11:15 PM Re: Round count for rifle zeroing [Re: chital_shikari]
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I have always shot at least a first round of 3 shots. Then adjust. You can fire solos after the three until you have walked it to the bullseye. Then I move to a clean target and fire three more to verify. One shot can have a pull to it and you are going to adjust out of whack. But a tight group of three, that is proof positive the gun is putting them where the scope it pointing.
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#6430651 - 08/29/16 11:23 PM Re: Round count for rifle zeroing [Re: chital_shikari]
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I think you did pretty well for putting a new scope on and not being able to bore sight it !
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#6430672 - 08/29/16 11:55 PM Re: Round count for rifle zeroing [Re: chital_shikari]
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My uncle was insistent on shooting 2 shots before adjusting. So it could have been done with much less work. Like I re-zeroed my 22-250 from 100-200yd zero back in January and that only took 3 or 4 shots and then the rest was for fun. But that was different because it wasn't a problematic scope deal, like this Browning.

Yeah, I wanted to get it laser boresighted, but nobody I know has one and I'll volunteer to go to Hell before I go to Academy or Bass Pro to get them to do it. Couldn't do traditionally because not a bolt action. The range that we went to used to boresight but for some reason they stopped.
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#6430676 - 08/30/16 12:06 AM Re: Round count for rifle zeroing [Re: chital_shikari]
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I think I would spend $20 on a laser bore sight tool if it ever took me 60 rounds to zero.

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