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#6429745 - 08/29/16 03:27 PM Leupold CDS?
Bombela Offline
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Anyone have any experience with these scopes? Thinking about a VX-2 CDS 3-9x40 just for hunting white tail, its going to go on a Rem 700 ADL 30-06. My brother said I should get something with more power is it worth it to spend the extra money now?

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#6429780 - 08/29/16 03:45 PM Re: Leupold CDS? [Re: Bombela]
ChadTRG42 Offline
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The CDS scope is a decent scope. It allows you to dial your elevation in MOA, which is what I recommend once you have a proven load for your rifle. I don't recommend the custom turret stuff. I have several 3-9 scopes, and I don't feel I am at any disadvantage in the field. I keep my hunting scopes set on about 3-4 power anyway when hunting. On 3-4x, I can quickly get on target on a moving coyote or whatever is needed. If you are dialed all the way up on a 14x scope, it will slow you down and you may not have time to shoot a moving coyote.
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#6430209 - 08/29/16 07:55 PM Re: Leupold CDS? [Re: Bombela]
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Hunting whitetail how far?
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#6430347 - 08/29/16 08:45 PM Re: Leupold CDS? [Re: Bombela]
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I would shoot a group at 300 yards with your current set up. If you shoot a 3 shot 3" group you have a valid need for the CDS and a more powerful scope. If you shoot a 5-6" group, it wont matter. Then you would just get a good Leupold 3.5-10 about $500. All the scope you will need for close running shots or a solid rested shot at 300 yards. farther than that, In my opinion you would need a rifle which would shoot the 3", 300 yard group.

I think a 150 grain bullet sighted in to hit 2.5-3" high at 100 yards, should give you a "point blank" hold on the kill zone of a broad side whitetail, hog, axis, coyote, etc. out to 300 yards, Chad and JG can correct me.

I guess what I'm saying is you have a great "hunting" rifle and no need for a CDS dial


make sense??
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#6430449 - 08/29/16 09:28 PM Re: Leupold CDS? [Re: Bombela]
cblackall Offline
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Registered: 05/12/16
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Loc: Lewisville, TX
I've got two Leupold CDS scopes, both of which still have the coupon for the CDS dial still in the box. In theory they sound great, but through personal experience and OCD I have come to the conclusion that the chances that that dial will be spot on is slim. There are so many variables that come in to play at long distance. Atmospherics and elevation in particular. That dial may be spot on for whichever conditions you choose, but may be off by a fair margin if you hunt out of state. Especially if your dial is set for Texas (closer to sea level), and you head for the high country out West. The data you send to Leupold also has to be exact. Crap in, crap out. If you use the muzzle velocity printed on the box of your factory ammo, chances are your dial will be off past 300 yds or so. Not trying to downplay the effectiveness of the CDS dial, but just trying to convey the importance of good data. If you decide to go this route, make sure you true the data on the range before you count on it for a hunt. As stated earlier, the distance you plan on shooting has more to do with this conversation than anything else. If your shots are inside of 300 yds, follow Buzzsaw's advise.

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#6430496 - 08/29/16 09:46 PM Re: Leupold CDS? [Re: Bombela]
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I think the dial would be very accurate, or reasonable, if you had a pet load that you chrono yourself and you use
a stable powder and never change up the bullet model or weight. But I probably have 3 pet loads/bullets per caliber.

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#6430550 - 08/29/16 10:14 PM Re: Leupold CDS? [Re: Bombela]
Bombela Offline
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I have no scope on my gun atm I bought the gun as a combo which worked fine for my first hunt. The scope recently broke so I need something new. The only thing that makes me feel less confident with a scope is having to make a long rage shot above 200 and having no idea how where to hold or making those adjustments since I'm to knowledgeable about moa or mils. There are just so many options when I walk into a sporting goods store i just don't know what to get.

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#6431009 - 08/30/16 09:13 AM Re: Leupold CDS? [Re: Bombela]
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Originally Posted By: Bombela
I have no scope on my gun atm I bought the gun as a combo which worked fine for my first hunt. The scope recently broke so I need something new. The only thing that makes me feel less confident with a scope is having to make a long rage shot above 200 and having no idea how where to hold or making those adjustments since I'm to knowledgeable about moa or mils. There are just so many options when I walk into a sporting goods store i just don't know what to get.


I would get a fine duplex scope, like a 3-9 vx3. Then zero it at 200y and calculate the range to the top of the bottom post. It will probably be 275-325 yards or something, then don't shoot (any animal) beyond that. We can help you with the calculation after you settle on a caliber and scope.


Edited by Gravytrain (08/30/16 03:10 PM)

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#6431674 - 08/30/16 03:00 PM Re: Leupold CDS? [Re: Gravytrain]
Jgraider Offline
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Registered: 06/13/15
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Loc: West Texas
Originally Posted By: Gravytrain
I think the dial would be very accurate, or reasonable, if you had a pet load that you chrono yourself and you use
a stable powder and never change up the bullet model or weight. But I probably have 3 pet loads/bullets per caliber.



Which is exactly the way you set them up....chrono not optional. I have six of the CDS equipped VX3's and VX6's, and they work extremely well, and are easy to set up correctly. If you change loads, just get a CDS dial (zero stop is fool proof) made up in MOA, chrono the load, make your dope sheet, and you're set.

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#6431689 - 08/30/16 03:15 PM Re: Leupold CDS? [Re: ChadTRG42]
alexrex20 Offline
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Loc: Spring TX
Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
The CDS scope is a decent scope. It allows you to dial your elevation in MOA, which is what I recommend once you have a proven load for your rifle. I don't recommend the custom turret stuff. I have several 3-9 scopes, and I don't feel I am at any disadvantage in the field. I keep my hunting scopes set on about 3-4 power anyway when hunting. On 3-4x, I can quickly get on target on a moving coyote or whatever is needed. If you are dialed all the way up on a 14x scope, it will slow you down and you may not have time to shoot a moving coyote.


Do you even know what CDS is? I'm guessing not since you're recommending a CDS but not the custom turret.

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#6431693 - 08/30/16 03:17 PM Re: Leupold CDS? [Re: Bombela]
alexrex20 Offline
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Registered: 06/24/12
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Loc: Spring TX
I use a CDS VX3 on my AR308 and it does great out to 450yds. If you know how to bracket the animal with your crosshairs then you can easily range the animal with the power selector ring/range finder.

Or, you can just zero 2in high at 100yds like someone else mentioned, and aim dead nuts on out to 300.

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#6431772 - 08/30/16 04:17 PM Re: Leupold CDS? [Re: Bombela]
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I just bumped a thread that bares on this conversation that comes up quite often.
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#6431883 - 08/30/16 05:27 PM Re: Leupold CDS? [Re: Bombela]
Jgraider Offline
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Loc: West Texas
FYI, if a guy has a custom yardage dial made by Leupy, then changes the load and wants another dial but doesn't want to pay $60 for it, try these out.....they work great and are cheap and durable:

http://customturretsystems.com/

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#6432013 - 08/30/16 06:24 PM Re: Leupold CDS? [Re: Bombela]
Buzzsaw Offline
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love me some BDC turrets clap
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#6432300 - 08/30/16 08:51 PM Re: Leupold CDS? [Re: Bombela]
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I thought that if you don't know your velocity(chronographed), BC and SD of your bullets, then you are just pissing in the wind using a CDS turret. Is that correct?
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