Agree 100%. Just another byproduct of the commercialization of hunting.

Well, Jesus wasn't engaged in a business to make money from sponsors to help pay for his hunting pleasure, LOL. So the out-of-context quote from Mark, Matthew, etc. doesn't seem to exactly apply here. Sponsors want promotion, but they want positive promotion. Sarah Bowmar probably should have run the hunt parameters by UA before appearing in the video in UA gear or at least before releasing the video.

Not sure where you got the idea I thought UA had no right to pull support or make business decisions against a type of hunting they don't like.

I stated I didn't care. And I don't think they get to determine ethics for others. Nobody does.

They made their decision and I fully support their right to do it. And I'm all for each individual hunter making their own personal choice about ethics and the support of legal hunting. I hope the hunting community unites and makes UA's business decision bite them right square in the grundies.

Wow, a good debate going on in a hunting forum discussing ethics and Jesus. I could dig into this!

Seriously, the word ethics these days has almost become defined as "what the person with the microphone feels is right". It's funny that we define what is ethical based on who we are talking about or to who we are talking. Sad. There exists an objective ethic. Many people in the US don't believe that anymore and rather subscribe to relative ethics, or moral realitivism. This is part of the reason the US is falling apart at the seams. In relativism, what is right is based on the moment and the emotions, rather than what truly is right or wrong.
In this situation, it seems the spear did the job and quite well, dropping the bear at 60 yards (per statement made above, I have not researched it myself) which is probably much better than most bow hunters do with WT deer. Does that make the spear any more unethical than a bow? Does that make ancient Indians who only killed with spears unethical? I think we all know the answers to these questions. The problem lies in the nature of the kill. This wasn't done for hunger, to feed a family. It was done for self promotion, as evidenced by the GoPro strapped to the spear. Is any hunting done for self promotion unethical (needless killing)? Possibly...would you say a kid killing a mouse to show off to his friends is unethical? This touches on Jesus saying not to tell people of his healing, it wasn't so much about self promotion, but that the people didn't believe in Him as the messiah and it wasn't the proper time to reveal himself to those people, he did plenty of self promotion when the time was right, just in more subtle ways than this hunter.
But as has been mentioned, corporations don't really have an ethic to them, they operate in very black and white (red) terms, and whatever decision is being made is done in a purely profit minded decision. It may be hard to believe, but I bet there were people who placed both sides of the argument to the powers at UA, and the argument was made which side do we potentially piss off more, the Antis or the pros. UA's problem was they tried to make it sound all fancy when they injected ethics is a simple business decision. That PR person needs to be dropped as well.
There are a lot of questions to be asked to get to the root of your ethics, as some have said, ethics is personal, and not everyone has the same ethics. However, it does not mean your brand if ethics is actually right. Just ask if Jeffrey Dahmer's (spelling?) or David Koresh's (again, spelling?) ethics should have been allowed to be "free to express", as according to relativism there is no concrete right or wrong, just what you feel is right or wrong (until what you feel is right conflicts with mine and then you are wrong, its never me who is wrong). So complicatingly simple right?

I could care less if someone makes a shot @ 800 yards, or jumps on a hog's back with a pair of toe nail clippers. To each their own. I do think some have lost touch with why we hunt. A lot of people can't even go in the woods any more without a Go-Pro duck taped to their forehead.

Spear boy got the attention he was looking for.

If every outdoorsman/woman that buys this stuff, stops buying, probably wouldn't make a dent in their sales. Now if they bring up poor ethics for jogging, or bike riders, they will go broke..Oh sorry, left out the Yeti crowd

That guy deserves props. It's been many years since I'd have been crazy enough to stand there with no cover and chunk a stick at a bear. Pretty wild video. Looked like a solid hit to me...not a gut shot. You can see blood spew . Maybe one lung and gut if anything. That was awesome. I'd rather bowhunt but that's pretty impressive.

Problem is there are to many people with nothing to do but go to a coffe shop and sip they're fancy drinks and be offended about everything. Live in the now and be happy and much as you can. Don't let stupid little things make you mad. Be happy that dove season is close. Then the whole year will fly by and we will be so happy till Tax time and we will all have something real to be mad about. God bless us all:)

^^^ First world problems for sure!

I would bet no one is mad at the antive Africans killing baboons and lions for survival purposes, but one "rich dentist" goes over and kills a lion and the world is suddenly alive with anti-hunters.

More about the haves and have-nots than hunters and anti-hunters in my mind. The more classes of people the powers that be get to fight each other, the more the powers can get away with while everyone focuses on the fighting. Diversion. Classic power play. the world is getting very good at that too.

Haha.....live and learn.

I'll stick with Cold Gear for hunting and Heat Gear for my socks year around..

One thing to do is call up the big hunting stores and tell them about the situation. Having UA products sit on their shelves making no money will hurt.

A little bit different situation but Cabelas had planned on having the guys from Big Fish Texas show up and everyone called in and told them the guys on the show don't support recreational fishermen and Cabelas canceled them.

I don't care about the ethics part. He hunted lawfully. And if you guys who are thinking about ethics don't believe the same people complaining about this crap wont go after your bows and guns then you don't know jack.

That is what I feel like people are missing, this is just the start. Next will be bow hunting when someone posts a video and the animal runs off. If we as hunters don't make a stand crap like this will only get worse. I've seen plenty of hunting shows where an animal shot with a bow or rifle ran way, way farther than that bear, why not the outrage then? It is only a matter of time.

Nope, I was commenting on the contextual irrelevance of citing Biblical passages for this situation. You can't really tell people who are in the business of promotion of products, who are paid to promote products, to "go forth and tell no one" because that is what Jesus said. Jesus just wasn't in the sporting goods marketing business. The video was entitled, “Cabelas and Under Armour Forest Truck Tour”.

My thought is that they bailed before the media made a big deal of it. They look like heroes in the eyes of the left now.
The media can sway the sheeple of this country in a powerful way, UA didn't want to be part of that.

This thread needs to be moved to the Spear Chucker forum

You might want to go back and read my post. I never mentioned Jesus or his quotes. I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about above.

Love Jesus!

Amen

David killed lion and bear with his spear so I'm pretty sure Jesus wouldn't mind this deal.

Did David have some kind of [censored] hunting YouTube channel? Or GoPro cameras mounted so he could promote himself?

I don't think so. He did end up with some pretty good PR once the Bible was published though.

interesting ... saw this link to a petition to Cabela's to stop selling UA ... Link to Petition

First response is kind of funny.

I must say, this thread sure has covered some pretty wide ground. We've gone from bear hunting to Jesus with a GoPro.

So maybe, just maybe "unethical" wasn't the right term for me to use. "Unsportsmanlike" would be better.

Consider this video as a basis for my point of view. (I'm purposely not embedding it.)

Alternative Black Bear video

When you see that, how do you possibly get an adrenaline rush throwing a spear at one? Now, do that to a grizzly as someone said? Little more sporting there as they'll chew your [censored] off with a gut shot or a miss!

If you didn't like my comment on ethics, this will give you validation. Not only do I usually wear full camo while hunting, I do wear it in a box blind, that has a cot where I can take a nap, it does have a heater I use a great deal AND I'm usually wearing my UA drawers, UA socks and even UA long johns. That's just how we do it.

Charlie