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#6390003 - 07/31/16 11:44 PM No more IR... Armasiight or Pulsar?
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Registered: 05/27/13
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Loc: Flower Mound, TX
Sat night was the most frustrating hunt I've ever had. That would be thanks to my X-Sight and I'm going to throw IR hunting out with it. I missed a shot on one hog as it simply would not power up on int. battery or ext. battery. Screw around taking the cap on/off it finally did, but too late. Missed a shot on another due to being too close ( I thought I had cows by me, turned out to be a sounder about 20ft away) and the illuminators I believe scaring them off. Actually got a shot off on a coyote, but the scope decided to power off after the shot. This was all in about 2 hours time. frown

I have (2) Illuminators and a IR laser, plus my 12v IR lights (which also decided not to work Sat night for some reason) I drag around. I've also commented on the recent topic of the IR Illuminators lighting up the smoke from a shot, making a quick followup difficult. All of this is just too hard it seems vs simply turning on a thermal scope and shooting. I have a Thermal and NV monoculars, so I'm covered on scouting.

So given what I can spend... Pulsar XD50A 2-8 or Armasight Zeus 3X, 336X256, 60Hz, 42m

Thanks,
Charlie

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#6390013 - 08/01/16 12:41 AM Re: No more IR... Armasiight or Pulsar? [Re: CharlieCTx]
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The love hate relationship we have with hunting in general....sounds like it got the best of you that night. Sorry about that. I hate it when I am in position and the equipment fails.

The good news is it happens to all of us, and the hogs will be back.
The bad news is I have nothing to say about either of the scopes you suggested. I hunt with an ATN Thor 336 3x.

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#6390516 - 08/01/16 01:40 PM Re: No more IR... Armasiight or Pulsar? [Re: CharlieCTx]
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I like the Pulsar. Here are some pics taken in the backyard.

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#6390606 - 08/01/16 02:50 PM Re: No more IR... Armasiight or Pulsar? [Re: Jethrowins]
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Registered: 03/24/13
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I can't say anything about the Pulsar because I have no personal experience with it, but I did try out several Armasight models before making a purchase.
You can save a little money by going with a 30hz instead of the 60hz. The 60hz didn't impress me at all and didn't do anything special that the 30hz wouldn't do.

I bought a Zeus 640 3x 75 30hz and love it. Put it on an AR15 in 6.5 Grendel.
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#6390757 - 08/01/16 05:03 PM Re: No more IR... Armasiight or Pulsar? [Re: CharlieCTx]
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Registered: 01/27/15
Posts: 131
Loc: Flatlands of NY
Hunting with NV sure is frustrating at times, but that's why I've always had quick detach thermal optics ready, or another dialed in rig as a backup.
I think it's good to hunt with NV once and awhile, as it really makes you appreciate your thermal optics.
At some point, your thermal optic will fail you too, as they're not infallible.
Most times in a heavy fog, or when it's below zero and your scope fogs up from just the heat of your face.
That's a problem I've had when hunting in NY state and more than one song dog has escaped death because of it.
Either thermal you mentioned is a good choice.
I would pick the scope with the easiest controls and quickest power up.
My spotting thermal is always on and I power up the scope when prey is spotted to save battery life.
Try Getting the scope that uses the same batteries as your other optics.
When I started with thermals, it was a lot easier to choose, as there wasn't a lot of choices.
Now, the market is flooded with great optics and at great prices too.

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#6394918 - 08/04/16 04:17 PM Re: No more IR... Armasiight or Pulsar? [Re: CharlieCTx]
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I'd go with the pulsar unit.
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#6395010 - 08/04/16 05:33 PM Re: No more IR... Armasiight or Pulsar? [Re: CharlieCTx]
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Well, you can get the Pulsar Apex XD50 384 2x or the Armasight Zeus 336 3x for about the same price. While the Pulsar has a bigger lens, it has less magnification than the Armasight. I have not compared the two side by side, but have looked through both at different times and hunted with the Pulsar. As noted above, going with 60 hz isn't going to buy you a whole lot of improvement over 30 hz for the vast majority of your hunting, only on the higher speed action stuff.

Given the magnification difference, the big question is, how far do you normally hunt? Do you normally hunt inside 75 yards? Then I would go with the Pulsar, but it can hunt much farther, no doubt about it. If you are normally hunting more than 100 yards, I think I would go with the Armasight.

Just an FYI, if this is going on a bolt gun, it is easier to mount the Pulsar with proper eye relief on a bolt gun than the Armasight. The longer tube of the Pulsar just works better for this than the shorter/more compact Armasight, IMHO.
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#6395307 - 08/04/16 09:30 PM Re: No more IR... Armasiight or Pulsar? [Re: CharlieCTx]
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I would ditto DNS...

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#6395415 - 08/04/16 11:44 PM Re: No more IR... Armasiight or Pulsar? [Re: CharlieCTx]
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This will be going on my M&P 10. I'd say the average shot where I hunt is about 120 yds.

Help me with this... Zeus 120 336 and 640. As mentioned there seems to be little difference in the 30-60 refresh rate. Does the above make a big difference? I don't understand this pixel array spec as I think they all also list a 800x600 display? Is the display capability the same, but there's fewer pixels to display with the lower number? I would think that would be very noticeable.

Charlie

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#6395628 - 08/05/16 08:59 AM Re: No more IR... Armasiight or Pulsar? [Re: CharlieCTx]
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The 336, 640 is the resolution of the core. The 800 x 600 is the resolution of the screen. A 640 core vs a 336 core makes a huge difference, particularly the farther out you go. If you can step up to the 640, I would. The only scope I own that isn't 640 is the Pulsar (384).

The 30 hz vs 60 hz is the refresh rate of the screen. 30 hz is generally fine, but will blur a bit when you have faster motion like a sounder running. That's because the target moved further between screen refreshes.

Edit: One more thing to throw into the mix. The controls on the Pulsar seem easier for me. I'm not crazy about the buttons on the Armasight. They are inset and it is a tad difficult to get my big fingers on them. You will find yourself manually NUCing the Armasight as the auto takes way too long to come around. But the bigger thing to consider is the PiP on the Pulsar. I like that the Armasight has 3X native for longer shots, but the Pulsar PiP is a very cool feature and does an excellent job of compensating. Ya know, just trying to confuse things more. LOL...


Edited by dfwroadkill (08/05/16 09:09 AM)

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#6395648 - 08/05/16 09:10 AM Re: No more IR... Armasiight or Pulsar? [Re: CharlieCTx]
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You also have differences in cores between the two options your weighing.

I believe the Pulsar is a French made one and Armasight uses Flir - I could be wrong.

Anyhoo - one companies 30hz may behave differently than the next companies 30hz sort of like a Chevy vs Ford V-8 , they're both 8 cylinders but are designed to perform differently ...

Personally I'd go cheapest 30hz I could find because depreciation is a mutha on thermal equipment and your going to want to upgrade in a couple of years anyways....
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#6395653 - 08/05/16 09:11 AM Re: No more IR... Armasiight or Pulsar? [Re: CharlieCTx]
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Another thought... You can rent a lot of these from Tyler at Ultimate Night Vision in Carrolton. Find what you like best and he applies the rent to the purchase. Something to consider...

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#6395680 - 08/05/16 09:28 AM Re: No more IR... Armasiight or Pulsar? [Re: Pig_Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Pig_Popper
You also have differences in cores between the two options your weighing.

I believe the Pulsar is a French made one and Armasight uses Flir - I could be wrong.

Anyhoo - one companies 30hz may behave differently than the next companies 30hz sort of like a Chevy vs Ford V-8 , they're both 8 cylinders but are designed to perform differently ...

Personally I'd go cheapest 30hz I could find because depreciation is a mutha on thermal equipment and your going to want to upgrade in a couple of years anyways....


The Pulsar is a 384 made by ULIS of France. The Armasight is a 336 made by FLIR here in the U.S. Negligible performance difference.

I haven't noticed a difference in the affect of 30hz processors from manufacturer to manufacturer. They all blur with faster motion, but it isn't something that is unacceptable or a reason not to purchase.

Depreciation is a fact of life. The difference between 30hz and 60hz isn't so great that it would affect my decision. However, 3XX cores vs 640 cores is a huge difference in purchase price and performance. One just has to decide what works for them per those considerations. I think folks can get by plenty good on 3XX core products, but I enjoy using 640 much more and am willing to pay the difference. To each, his own.

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#6395745 - 08/05/16 10:28 AM Re: No more IR... Armasiight or Pulsar? [Re: CharlieCTx]
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Registered: 01/25/15
Posts: 456
Loc: Austin, Texas
Nice short summary you wrote on core and resolution.

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#6396026 - 08/05/16 03:12 PM Re: No more IR... Armasiight or Pulsar? [Re: CharlieCTx]
Jethrowins Offline
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Registered: 10/30/14
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I agree with the 320 vs 640 core debate. I believe you can tell a difference the majority of time. However sometimes the 640 core will be on par with the 320 if they use a cheap display. For instance the Flir scout 3 that uses a 640 core can look on par with a 384.

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