Forums46
Topics537,742
Posts9,728,589
Members87,037
|
Most Online25,604 Feb 12th, 2024
|
|
|
I'm done with Winchester!
#6377623
07/21/16 07:49 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 18,934
ChadTRG42
OP
THF Celebrity
|
OP
THF Celebrity
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 18,934 |
I've been using Winchester brass for many years with many different calibers I load and sell. Recently, I've received a bunch of 270 Win, 308 Win, 300 Win Mag, and 25-06 brass to load. The brass has been in such bad shape you have to fully prep the brass like it was once fired. The necks are chewed up and severely out of round. The necks have varying neck tensions when seating the bullets. The shoulder often has dings and dents in them causing the brass to chamber tight. About 3-5 per 100 pieces have a defect in the case mouth or on the neck to render it unusable. The cost in labor to fix the brass is almost twice that of other brands. Yes, new Win brass has always needed a little more TLC than other brass to get them ready to load. But with their price increasing to almost the price of other premium brands that are much better brass right out of the box, it's a no brainer. I'm highly disappointed in there current lack of quality products.
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6377640
07/21/16 07:59 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,423
NTRP
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,423 |
Chad's gonna start using Serbian steel cases for now on!
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: NTRP]
#6377643
07/21/16 08:00 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 18,934
ChadTRG42
OP
THF Celebrity
|
OP
THF Celebrity
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 18,934 |
Chad's gonna start using Serbian steel cases for now on! LOL!! Is it good [censored]?
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6377646
07/21/16 08:02 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,423
NTRP
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,423 |
You'll have to worry about rust before split necks or loose primer pockets lol
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6377684
07/21/16 08:19 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,682
cmorsch
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,682 |
I got to the same point 2 years ago, now I use lapua or norma for all the rifles I load for except the 300 RUM which I use remington if I can find it but will be going to norma with it as well on my next rebarrel.
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6377696
07/21/16 08:28 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,156
J.G.
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,156 |
I could deal with having to put in a little more work, not being in the business of loading ammo like you. But if if it still needs work AND the price is higher, I can't blame you for quitting them.
Have you sent them an informative e-mail?
800 Yard Steel Range Precision Rifle Instruction Memberships and Classes Available
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6377818
07/21/16 09:51 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,919
maximum
Veteran Tracker
|
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,919 |
"i'm done. . ."
thank you for the heads up. i had some white box .44 mag purchased new that had numerous case head splits. they refunded me on what i'd used and the rest of what i had. if i hadn't been using a rifle i'd say i would have had a worse situation than what i did. i've used quite a few of my own remington and starline cased loads with no problems.
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6377819
07/21/16 09:51 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,219
dee
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,219 |
The blue boxes is all I buy now. Went so far as necking down 308 Palma for the 7mm-08 AI recently.
"A vote is like a rifle; it's usefulness depends on the character of the user" Theodore Roosevelt
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6377843
07/21/16 10:12 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 6,173
Tactical Cowboy
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 6,173 |
I can't remember the last time I bought brass. I mostly pick up range brass or once fired anyway. I won't buy Winchester now!
The secret to a long life is to try not to shorten it.
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6377970
07/22/16 12:08 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,422
jeffbird
Extreme Tracker
|
Extreme Tracker
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,422 |
Win primers stink too.
Black Hills now is using Ruag (Swiss) brass for 308 and 300 Win Mag match ammo.
Might be a lesson in that somewhere.
I now pick chamberings based on what Lapua brass is available.
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6378065
07/22/16 01:16 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,394
booradley
Veteran Tracker
|
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,394 |
Do any of you reload with PPU brass?
Don’t roll those bloodshot eyes at me.
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6378070
07/22/16 01:20 AM
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,219
dee
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,219 |
I have. Its usually really stiff and can be hard on decapping pins.
"A vote is like a rifle; it's usefulness depends on the character of the user" Theodore Roosevelt
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6378203
07/22/16 03:02 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,394
booradley
Veteran Tracker
|
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,394 |
I've used some of my own once fired 6.5x55 and it seemed pretty good. Since I have around 200 pieces I figured I'd keep using it unless there is a compelling reason not to.
Don’t roll those bloodshot eyes at me.
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6378332
07/22/16 10:54 AM
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,219
dee
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,219 |
I wouldn't worry about it unless you're getting bad numbers then I might question it. I annealed mine after initially sizing then sized again and ran it.
"A vote is like a rifle; it's usefulness depends on the character of the user" Theodore Roosevelt
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6379635
07/23/16 02:36 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 868
Txhillbilly
Tracker
|
Tracker
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 868 |
I like Winchester brass,but just like Remington brass,their packaging SUCKS! As long as they ship their brass in plastic bags,it will always need to be reworked before you load it. There's no telling how much punishment their brass receives during the shipping process. There will always be dented cases,and out of round necks with their brass. Hornady brass will be the same way since they stopped putting their brass in boxes.
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6393962
08/04/16 02:04 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 52
SkiBuck
Outdoorsman
|
Outdoorsman
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 52 |
I've had the winchester brass blues. I was sizing some newly purchased brass because of the already mentioned flaws. I was rockin and rollin until my decapping pin snapped into. Inspected the case, and it didn't even have a flash hole. I contacted Winchester and they sent me a free bag of brass which was about the value of new dies.
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: SkiBuck]
#6393967
08/04/16 02:08 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,422
jeffbird
Extreme Tracker
|
Extreme Tracker
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,422 |
I've had the winchester brass blues. I was sizing some newly purchased brass because of the already mentioned flaws. I was rockin and rollin until my decapping pin snapped into. Inspected the case, and it didn't even have a flash hole. I contacted Winchester and they sent me a free bag of brass which was about the value of new dies. Decapping pins are easily replaced in many dies - Forster, Redding, and Redding for sure. A pack is only a few dollars. Check Midway for your brand. Here is an example: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1458193150/rcbs-headed-decapping-pins
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6394007
08/04/16 02:30 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 15,693
603Country
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 15,693 |
I still have some Win and Rem brass, but don't plan to buy more. I never found the brass to be in bad shape, but I did prep the brass, and I finally got tired of doing it. So now I buy brass that normally needs no prep work. Nosler is really good stuff, though it seems a bit soft, so mostly nowadays I buy Lapua and Norma.
Not my monkeys, not my circus...
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6394365
08/04/16 01:59 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 1,102
Bbear
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 1,102 |
Started out with Remington and Winchester brass for about everything. As I learned more about reloading and gained experience, I slowly weeded those out. Other than some PPU for my 7mm-08, just about everything I load is Lapua, Nosler, Hornady or Norma. Though the Hornady is fine, it doesn't seem to last as long as the others in my guns.
[IMG][/IMG]
Pay it forward - Kids are the future.
Rifles are similar to boats and young women...there's no end to how much money you can pour into them without making them any more useful.
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6395924
08/05/16 06:31 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,236
wall8053
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,236 |
It's due to various issues with Winchester ammo that my department switched to Hornady.
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6396311
08/06/16 12:37 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,236
wall8053
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,236 |
Chad I just saw Midway has a lot of Winchester brass and bullets on clearance, up to 92% off
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6396361
08/06/16 01:27 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 9,273
blackcoal
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 9,273 |
^^^^ How about posting a link???
The Greatest Enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.--Stephen Hawking
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6396407
08/06/16 02:21 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,236
wall8053
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,236 |
I got it in an email
|
|
|
Re: I'm done with Winchester!
[Re: ChadTRG42]
#6396640
08/06/16 01:27 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,499
charlesb
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,499 |
I've had good luck with Federal brass.
Kind regards, charlesb
|
|
|
Moderated by bigbob_ftw, CCBIRDDOGMAN, Chickenman, Derek, DeRico, Duck_Hunter, hetman, jeh7mmmag, JustWingem, kmon11, kry226, kwrhuntinglab, Payne, pertnear, rifleman, sig226fan (Rguns.com), Superduty, TreeBass, txcornhusker
|