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#6377623 - 07/21/16 02:49 PM I'm done with Winchester!
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I've been using Winchester brass for many years with many different calibers I load and sell. Recently, I've received a bunch of 270 Win, 308 Win, 300 Win Mag, and 25-06 brass to load. The brass has been in such bad shape you have to fully prep the brass like it was once fired. The necks are chewed up and severely out of round. The necks have varying neck tensions when seating the bullets. The shoulder often has dings and dents in them causing the brass to chamber tight. About 3-5 per 100 pieces have a defect in the case mouth or on the neck to render it unusable. The cost in labor to fix the brass is almost twice that of other brands. Yes, new Win brass has always needed a little more TLC than other brass to get them ready to load. But with their price increasing to almost the price of other premium brands that are much better brass right out of the box, it's a no brainer. I'm highly disappointed in there current lack of quality products.
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#6377640 - 07/21/16 02:59 PM Re: I'm done with Winchester! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Chad's gonna start using Serbian steel cases for now on!
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#6377643 - 07/21/16 03:00 PM Re: I'm done with Winchester! [Re: NTRP]
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Originally Posted By: NTRP
Chad's gonna start using Serbian steel cases for now on!


LOL!! Is it good [censored]?
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#6377646 - 07/21/16 03:02 PM Re: I'm done with Winchester! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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You'll have to worry about rust before split necks or loose primer pockets lol
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#6377684 - 07/21/16 03:19 PM Re: I'm done with Winchester! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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I got to the same point 2 years ago, now I use lapua or norma for all the rifles I load for except the 300 RUM which I use remington if I can find it but will be going to norma with it as well on my next rebarrel.

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#6377696 - 07/21/16 03:28 PM Re: I'm done with Winchester! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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I could deal with having to put in a little more work, not being in the business of loading ammo like you. But if if it still needs work AND the price is higher, I can't blame you for quitting them.

Have you sent them an informative e-mail?
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#6377720 - 07/21/16 03:44 PM Re: I'm done with Winchester! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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We had a little discussion about this over in the ammo forum.

http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbth...ol?#Post6370492

I am very familiar with the parent company, Olin, and how they do business. Not good.
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#6377818 - 07/21/16 04:51 PM Re: I'm done with Winchester! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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"i'm done. . ."

thank you for the heads up.
i had some white box .44 mag
purchased new that had numerous
case head splits. they refunded
me on what i'd used and the rest
of what i had. if i hadn't been
using a rifle i'd say i would have
had a worse situation than what
i did. i've used quite a few of
my own remington and starline
cased loads with no problems.

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#6377819 - 07/21/16 04:51 PM Re: I'm done with Winchester! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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The blue boxes is all I buy now. Went so far as necking down 308 Palma for the 7mm-08 AI recently.
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#6377843 - 07/21/16 05:12 PM Re: I'm done with Winchester! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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I can't remember the last time I bought brass. I mostly pick up range brass or once fired anyway. I won't buy Winchester now!
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#6377970 - 07/21/16 07:08 PM Re: I'm done with Winchester! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Win primers stink too.

Black Hills now is using Ruag (Swiss) brass for 308 and 300 Win Mag match ammo.

Might be a lesson in that somewhere.

I now pick chamberings based on what Lapua brass is available.

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#6378065 - 07/21/16 08:16 PM Re: I'm done with Winchester! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Do any of you reload with PPU brass?
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#6378070 - 07/21/16 08:20 PM Re: I'm done with Winchester! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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I have. Its usually really stiff and can be hard on decapping pins.
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#6378203 - 07/21/16 10:02 PM Re: I'm done with Winchester! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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I've used some of my own once fired 6.5x55 and it seemed pretty good. Since I have around 200 pieces I figured I'd keep using it unless there is a compelling reason not to.
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#6378332 - 07/22/16 05:54 AM Re: I'm done with Winchester! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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I wouldn't worry about it unless you're getting bad numbers then I might question it. I annealed mine after initially sizing then sized again and ran it.
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