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#6373219 - 07/18/16 01:15 PM Youth Rifle
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After looking, I can't find anything decent used, so am going to buy the boy a new gun.

In compacts or youth models, there's not a lot to choose from. I really wanted to get him a wood stock, but short of the Winchester Model 70 compact, there really aren't any out there.

So now I'm considering the Tikka compact. It comes with a 1" stock spacer to add later. My main concern is the 20" barrel.

What is the consensus on either a .243 or a 7mm-08 with a 20" barrel? I own a Tikka in 25-06 and know they shoot, but am trying to find the right rifle and round combination for a first deer rifle that will reliably put a deer on the ground. I would appreciate input from you guys who have been through this decision.
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#6373230 - 07/18/16 01:28 PM Re: Youth Rifle [Re: Gumbeaux]
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I've put a lot of deer in the freezer with a 20" barrel gun with a smaller caliber than that, so I guess it can be done. confused2
I've only encountered 22" 243 and have no interaction with 7-08, so I can't speak for those. But, I assume that if a smaller bore can do the job, then the .243 or 7-08 will as well.

If you're not set in stone on the Tikka, the Weatherby Vanguard (youth model) is also a sure-shot. The S2 seems better than the original, which is what I use.

Good luck.
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#6373263 - 07/18/16 01:58 PM Re: Youth Rifle [Re: Gumbeaux]
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My son shoots the Tikka T3 Varmint in 223 suppressed very well. He's 11 now (10 last season). I cut the barrel down to 17". It's a great little rifle for him and he shoots it well. He likes the low recoil (and suppressed!), so it is a factor for youth.

A 243 Win would be a good choice since it has lighter recoil. You can also run some reduced recoil loads in the 243 with a lighter bullet, and still get good performance. 20" is plenty of barrel. Not knowing how old he is, it's hard to say on caliber. But the main thing is getting him shooting and practicing before season. A 22LR or cheap 223 is good practice medicine. 7-08 would be good, if he can handle the added recoil.
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#6373374 - 07/18/16 03:12 PM Re: Youth Rifle [Re: Gumbeaux]
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One of my daughters has a tikka t3 compact in 243 the other has a browning xbolt micro Midas in 243. Both have dropped deer. Both shoot good. Tikka prob shots better but the browning wood stock is nice.

I'd look hard at the 7-08. Good selection of bullets and maybe a little more versatile.
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#6373505 - 07/18/16 04:47 PM Re: Youth Rifle [Re: Gumbeaux]
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#6373520 - 07/18/16 04:54 PM Re: Youth Rifle [Re: Gumbeaux]
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I'd go .243. That Marlin 336Y that Tactical Cowboy posted is cool, but I want it for myself.
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#6373651 - 07/18/16 06:07 PM Re: Youth Rifle [Re: Gumbeaux]
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Check out th ruger american compact ,you can get it in 300 black out
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#6373722 - 07/18/16 06:48 PM Re: Youth Rifle [Re: Gumbeaux]
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He shoots his scoped .22 well. And he skeet shoots in 4H with a 20 GA so I think the 7mm-08 recoil will be okay. He just turned 10. He's probably about 80 lbs.
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#6373732 - 07/18/16 06:52 PM Re: Youth Rifle [Re: Gumbeaux]
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Redsnake, how is the trigger on that Browning Micro Midas?
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#6373738 - 07/18/16 06:56 PM Re: Youth Rifle [Re: Gumbeaux]
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Browning X-Bolt Micro Midas.


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#6373759 - 07/18/16 07:08 PM Re: Youth Rifle [Re: Gumbeaux]
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If you don't mind spending the money on the Micro Midas, then you won't mind the rifle one bit. They're beautiful rifles that shoot as well as they look. The trigger isn't the best or the worst. I would call it acceptable.
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#6373780 - 07/18/16 07:20 PM Re: Youth Rifle [Re: Gumbeaux]
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Don't fear the short barrel. I just built a 16" 243. The 3 shots in the middle measured about an in. Not a very impressive group until you realize it was done searching for a max load. The three shots span 1 grain. 40, 40.5, and 41 grains of h4350.


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#6374017 - 07/18/16 09:33 PM Re: Youth Rifle [Re: Gumbeaux]
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The "Grouch"

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What is the concern about a 20" barrel?
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#6374022 - 07/18/16 09:38 PM Re: Youth Rifle [Re: Gumbeaux]
Gumbeaux Offline
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Accuracy, velocity. I'm not a huge rifle guy. More of a wing shooter. So not sure what impact a 20" barrel will have. I remember reading all of the back and forth on here about the already shorter Tikka barrels.
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#6374027 - 07/18/16 09:42 PM Re: Youth Rifle [Re: Gumbeaux]
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A shorter barrel is stiffer, which tends to be more accurate. The velocity loss is not a concern to the average hunter.
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