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#6369582 - 07/14/16 07:44 PM Rant: Newbies & Long Distance
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Registered: 08/03/11
Posts: 11387
Loc: Katy, TX
I posted this in a FB group I'm a part of. I'm one of the more senior guys (hah!), so even though I'm quite a bit younger they listen to my "expertise" roflmao. Anything I miss? Bear in mind, these people are absolute newbies, so I've watered down the technicalities. And yes, 2" is not that great, but this was without any breaks for the barrel and a combined diameter of 4 different loads/grains at those three different distances. Let me know what you think! Oh and don't bash me too hard for the 60% shooting grin
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So this has been bothering me for a bit. Mostly from my own hunting club members I hear this that I want to shoot animals from at least 300yd.

I've shot 2 animals at 200yd+ in 9 years of hunting. One was an axis doe with my 22-250 with a Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x50mm and 55gr Hornady VMAX in 2013, sitting on my rear end and resting on a uprooted treelimb. The second was a pig with my dad's 30-06 with a Nikon Buckmasters 4-12x50mm and 150gr Federal Fusion. The axis doe took 1 shot and a difficult tracking job: the super-flat shooting 22-250 did a ton of internal bleeding but left us nothing to follow with a chest shot. My 22-250 has shot 45, 55, and 64gr bullets within a 2" margin at 50, 100, and 200yd; that's why this was possible. The pig had blood everywhere, but took my 5 shots to drop: 3/5 connected. I was shooting standing, using a BOGPOD tripod as a rest.

There is no NEED, as a hunter, sportsman, to shoot at absurd distances. I took these two opportunities because I had to: the axis doe busted me while I was stalking her herd and the pigs were on higher ground than us so we couldn't get closer. I have shot deer on foot as close as 30yd. From a blind, 80-110yd. From a truck/mule, 100-200yd. It is your responsibility as an ETHICAL hunter to get as close as you can to your prey in order to deliver your hot little piece of molded lead or infused copper at it's best amount of energy into a living animal to take its life away.

That being said, a hunter does find himself in situations where un-ideal shots must be taken, such as in the above cases. That's where I have my pet peeve: one cannot just put trust in performance (of optic, gun, and shooter) at 100yd as the baseline for a 400yd shot. Anything at 300yd or higher is science and skill, not a smooth trigger pull and closed eye. Ballistic coefficients, wind drift, "dope," MILs, MOA, 1st Focal Plane, 2nd Focal Plane, bipods, cant, parallax, and PRACTICE all come into play here.

If there is ever a chance that you will shoot at 200yd, practice at that distance. 300yd? practice at 300. And NEVER shoot further than you've practiced for: I took 5 shots because I had only shot to 200yd, and at 273 I had to keep correcting for bullet drop. One of my hunting partners, a 14 year old who routinely shoots out to 600, dropped his pig with one shot--a headshot, to the eyeball--while shooting prone (I was standing. Now I know what sort of rest to use/have).

Long range shooting is not a joke. Please don't shoot if you haven't practiced at that distance. It's better to let the animal slip away, healthy and unharmed, than to put it through a miserable few hours before it dies or you can finish it off. Or worse, have it live with a bullet lodged inside of it, in pain every day because of lead poisoning or a badly healed bone.
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#6369679 - 07/14/16 08:57 PM Re: Rant: Newbies & Long Distance [Re: chital_shikari]
Fitzwho Offline
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Registered: 07/27/07
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Loc: Midland, TX
Practice, practice, practice.

My longest shot on a big game animal is currently 274 yards on my Pronghorn last year. That was literally the closest we could get. He was a bit over halfway out into a quarter section, 4" tall wheat field. Only cover was the center pivot which is where I made the shot from. Knowing your rifle, ammo, ballistics, wind, etc are imperative for shooting long distances.

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#6369687 - 07/14/16 09:08 PM Re: Rant: Newbies & Long Distance [Re: chital_shikari]
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You had to take those shots?
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#6369732 - 07/14/16 09:45 PM Re: Rant: Newbies & Long Distance [Re: Sneaky]
chital_shikari Offline
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Loc: Katy, TX
Originally Posted By: Sneaky
You had to take those shots?
It's the closest I could have gotten. confused2
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#6369758 - 07/14/16 10:11 PM Re: Rant: Newbies & Long Distance [Re: chital_shikari]
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Id shoot at a hog or coyote at 1000 yds with no hesitation. Don't care if i gut shot, head shot, leg shot or whatever either of those animals. Now a deer I feel I could make a great shot out to 300 easily but would prefer them to be within 200yds.
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#6369768 - 07/14/16 10:20 PM Re: Rant: Newbies & Long Distance [Re: chital_shikari]
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#6369794 - 07/14/16 10:48 PM Re: Rant: Newbies & Long Distance [Re: Brother in-law]
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WOW [/quote
Wow, what???

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#6369802 - 07/14/16 10:52 PM Re: Rant: Newbies & Long Distance [Re: chital_shikari]
chital_shikari Offline
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Loc: Katy, TX
I believe in ethical kills on all animals. To each their own.
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#6369805 - 07/14/16 10:56 PM Re: Rant: Newbies & Long Distance [Re: Sneaky]
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Originally Posted By: Sneaky
You had to take those shots?
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#6369812 - 07/14/16 11:08 PM Re: Rant: Newbies & Long Distance [Re: chital_shikari]
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So the pigs were on higher ground than y'all? That means you shot uphill? Where do the bullets go if they miss? Could you see your back drop? I'd have more issues with that than taking a long shot.
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#6369814 - 07/14/16 11:10 PM Re: Rant: Newbies & Long Distance [Re: chital_shikari]
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Chital you may fit in better on this website

http://www.peta.org
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#6369853 - 07/14/16 11:43 PM Re: Rant: Newbies & Long Distance [Re: chital_shikari]
chital_shikari Offline
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Loc: Katy, TX
The pigs were on the side of a hill. We were in the valley below. Back drop was solid Palo Duro Canyon. Bullets go into rocks and dirt. I'm young but I'm not stupid.

So I am an anti-hunter because I respect all animals, regardless of their label as game animal or varmint or pest?
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#6369856 - 07/14/16 11:47 PM Re: Rant: Newbies & Long Distance [Re: chital_shikari]
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Maybe you will finally learn a .22-250 is not a do-all cartridge


That and learn to shoot at 300 yards.



300 yards, while a good distance, is not unachievble. It's within the realm of common big game hunting
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#6369859 - 07/14/16 11:51 PM Re: Rant: Newbies & Long Distance [Re: chital_shikari]
chital_shikari Offline
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Having to take those shots is relative, I guess. The deer I had to shoot, because I wasn't about to go home and had worked darn hard to get to them. The pig was a new experience in a new terrain. I may have gotten closer, but the other hunters I was with had set up to shoot already, and I wasn't going to go in front of him.
So in either case, it was my desire to shoot those animals. I would have definitely gotten closer if possible, but that was not the case.

I should have known better than to post anything asking for advice. Y'all are a tough crowd: darned if you try to know, darned if you don't know.
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#6369867 - 07/14/16 11:59 PM Re: Rant: Newbies & Long Distance [Re: chital_shikari]
chital_shikari Offline
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Registered: 08/03/11
Posts: 11387
Loc: Katy, TX
Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
Maybe you will finally learn a .22-250 is not a do-all cartridge


That and learn to shoot at 300 yards.



300 yards, while a good distance, is not unachievble. It's within the realm of common big game hunting
Thanks, Captain Obvious. I'm a big boy now, so I rarely use the lil iddy biddy evil horrible small 22-250. Then again, the 30-30 is too small for deer too right? And a 30-06 is not nearly enough gun for deer or pig, right?
I literally admitted my mistake: I didn't practice enough so I didn't hit that pig on all of my shots.
Dude, I wrote that thing to address this statement: "(My Name), I'm not even gonna shoot if it's less than 300yd." He is shooting a Blaser R8 300WM with a Swaro Z5 5-25x52mm BRH reticle. He has never shot at the range past 100yd, but somehow heart-shotted a nilgai @ 287 with a 30-06 and Nikon BDC. I don't want to be hunting with someone with utter disregard for hunting ethics.
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