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#6339257 - 06/17/16 09:23 PM 4 Gun Bills will be Before the Senate
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http://www.businessinsider.com/senate-gun-control-bills-2016-6

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4 major gun bills will be before the Senate on Monday, but they're all unlikely to pass
Allan Smith

Four gun-control bills are set to receive a vote on the Senate floor on Monday, as the demand for gun-control legislation reaches a fever pitch in the aftermath of the Orlando, Florida, terrorist attack - the deadliest mass shooting in US history.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced the votes late on Thursday afternoon. Two of the bills were sponsored by Republicans, while two were backed by Democrats. All will need 60 votes in order to pass, and each is being proposed as an amendment to the commerce, justice, and science appropriations bill before the Senate.

The announcement came after a 15-hour filibuster initiated by Sen. Chris Murphy, a Connecticut Democrat, on Wednesday. Along with fellow Senate Democrats, Murphy is backing a bill to enhance universal background checks, which would close the so-called gun-show loophole, and a bill to ban suspected terrorists on terror watch lists from buying weapons.

That second Democratic bill, sponsored by Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, failed on a party-line vote in December, just one day after the San Bernardino, California, attacks. It was voted down by a 54-45 margin, and just one Republican - Sen. Mark Kirk of Illinois - voted in favor of the bill.

During a Monday conference call, Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York said that if the bill were passed when first brought before the Senate in December, then the Orlando terrorist attack would have been avoided.

"We're just asking for people to come into this country and go out and buy a gun," Feinstein said during that call with reporters, later adding, "Even if you're a suspected terrorist, you can go out and buy a gun. And that's just not right. So I hope there will be a change."

Opponents to the Feinstein bill say that, since you can be placed on a terror watch list without being found guilty of a crime, then it could cause US citizens on the list to be erroneously stripped of their Second Amendment right without due process.

"Is going after the Second Amendment how you stop terrorism? No," House Speaker Paul Ryan said during his Thursday press briefing. "That's not how you stop terrorism."

Sens. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and Cory Booker of New Jersey, among others, have insisted that due process elements will be "baked into it."

The lead Republican proposal was reintroduced by Sen. John Cornyn of Texas on Thursday. It's a slightly altered version of the SHIELD Act, which was shot down late last year.

If passed, the attorney general can delay a weapons purchase by any person who is either a known or suspected terrorist, or has been subjected to a terrorism-related investigation within the past five years for three days. Law enforcement would need to get a court order within that three-day window in order to stop the sale, should probable cause be shown before a judge. The bill also allows for the attorney general to take the buyer into custody if a judge determines probable cause.

Cornyn said in the release:

It would not only stop terrorists from getting guns, but it would take them off the streets, and it would do so in a way that's consistent with our Constitution. Every single Senator wants to deny terrorists access to guns they use to harm innocent civilians, but there's a right way to do things and a wrong way.

My legislation actually does what we need to do to give law enforcement first the notice that this individual is trying to buy a weapon, and then the opportunity to take them off the streets and deny them access to a firearm. We need a robust response to protect American citizens but one that doesn't infringe on constitutional rights.

McConnell came out in favor of the legislation, calling it a "serious solution" in a release. The National Rifle Association - soon after presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump tweeted on Wednesday about meeting with the organization to discuss potential terror-watch-list-related gun control with the organization - announced its support of the legislation.

The second Republican proposal came from Pennsylvania Sen. Pat Toomey. He crafted legislation that would direct the attorney general to create a new list of suspected terrorists who could be barred from buying weapons.

"We don't want terrorists to be able to walk into a gun store and buy a gun, and we don't want innocent, law-abiding citizens to be denied Second Amendment rights because he's wrongly on the list with a bunch of terrorists," Toomey said during a Wednesday speech on the Senate floor.

The Pennsylvania senator's bill is not up before the Senate on Monday.

Democrats roundly rejected both pieces of legislation.

Booker said during a CNN interview:

The Cornyn bill, which is the last version that I saw, creates a really impossible hurdle for the FBI. If they have someone under investigation, they're going to have three days to mount a court challenge to block them, expose their investigation, and create an environment where that terrorist, now being notified, will say, "You know what? Instead of going to that brick-and-mortar federally licensed gun dealer, I'm just going to go buy off the internet." That's where it falls down.

He added that the legislation is a front to ensure that "no legislation passes."

Schumer called the proposals "wolves in sheep's clothing" during a Thursday press conference, adding that under Cornyn's proposal "every terrorist will get a gun."

"If the FBI had that evidence, they would've arrested them in the first place," he said. "It's a fake. It's a way to say they're doing something when they're doing nothing."

A "whole court case in three days?" he continued. "Who would think that would make any sense!"

He said that Toomey's proposal "was even worse" because it would force the government to rebuild a new terror watch list.

"We'll be here for decades!" he said.

Another gun-control proposal set to go before the Senate on Monday is backed by Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley. It would ensure that the FBI is alerted of terrorism suspects who purchase a weapon without barring them from doing so. Anyone being investigated or who had been investigated for terrorism-related activities within five years would be entered into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System and the FBI would be notified if one was buying a weapon.

The recent push for added gun control came after 49 people were shot dead at an LGBTQ nightclub in Orlando by a gunman who pledged allegiance to ISIS.
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#6339621 - 06/18/16 09:30 AM Re: 4 Gun Bills will be Before the Senate [Re: dogcatcher]
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Thanks for posting. All politics aimed at changing the subject. This was terrorism and we need to put protecting our citizens first. That IS American!

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#6339662 - 06/18/16 10:26 AM Re: 4 Gun Bills will be Before the Senate [Re: dogcatcher]
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The NRA-ILA web site will allow you to compose & send letters to your state & federal representatives (it supplies that info for you).

Down side is it requires your name, address & phone which will likely lead to spam asking for donations for re-election. My standard reply will be 'when you start performing as promised in election years THEN I will consider supporting you; if you can't get the job done you need to be replaced'.

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#6340239 - 06/18/16 10:44 PM Re: 4 Gun Bills will be Before the Senate [Re: fishfree]
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Originally Posted By: fishfree
The NRA-ILA web site will allow you to compose & send letters to your state & federal representatives (it supplies that info for you).

Down side is it requires your name, address & phone which will likely lead to spam asking for donations for re-election. My standard reply will be 'when you start performing as promised in election years THEN I will consider supporting you; if you can't get the job done you need to be replaced'.


Man I wouldn't dare write my Congressman about anything! I'm afraid that they will put me on some kind of LIST!
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#6340318 - 06/19/16 06:01 AM Re: 4 Gun Bills will be Before the Senate [Re: aeb]
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Originally Posted By: aeb
Originally Posted By: fishfree
The NRA-ILA web site will allow you to compose & send letters to your state & federal representatives (it supplies that info for you).

Down side is it requires your name, address & phone which will likely lead to spam asking for donations for re-election. My standard reply will be 'when you start performing as promised in election years THEN I will consider supporting you; if you can't get the job done you need to be replaced'.


Man I wouldn't dare write my Congressman about anything! I'm afraid that they will put me on some kind of LIST!



What a stupid comment.

Your congressman represents you, He is probably more angry about it than you are. My congressman is Sam Johnson and he's not happy with the last 7 years.
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#6340319 - 06/19/16 06:02 AM Re: 4 Gun Bills will be Before the Senate [Re: txwildcat]
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Originally Posted By: txwildcat
Thanks for posting. All politics aimed at changing the subject. This was terrorism and we need to put protecting our citizens first. That IS American!


The democrats have done a great job making the issue guns and terrorist. I am surprised they were able to do this.
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#6340371 - 06/19/16 07:59 AM Re: 4 Gun Bills will be Before the Senate [Re: RedRanger]
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Originally Posted By: RedRanger
Originally Posted By: aeb
Originally Posted By: fishfree
The NRA-ILA web site will allow you to compose & send letters to your state & federal representatives (it supplies that info for you).

Down side is it requires your name, address & phone which will likely lead to spam asking for donations for re-election. My standard reply will be 'when you start performing as promised in election years THEN I will consider supporting you; if you can't get the job done you need to be replaced'.


Man I wouldn't dare write my Congressman about anything! I'm afraid that they will put me on some kind of LIST!



What a stupid comment.

Your congressman represents you, He is probably more angry about it than you are. My congressman is Sam Johnson and he's not happy with the last 7 years.

I wrote all of mine earlier this week. Remind them who they represent.

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#6340377 - 06/19/16 08:05 AM Re: 4 Gun Bills will be Before the Senate [Re: RedRanger]
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Originally Posted By: RedRanger
Originally Posted By: txwildcat
Thanks for posting. All politics aimed at changing the subject. This was terrorism and we need to put protecting our citizens first. That IS American!


The democrats have done a great job making the issue guns and terrorist. I am surprised they were able to do this.


I'm not surprised. The amount of deception and bad information in the media is unreal. The number of people willing to do their homework and THINK for themselves is limited. You have to realize if you rely on the MSM or major social media (Facebook, yahoo, twitter, etc) it is left leaning (putting it mildly).

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#6340480 - 06/19/16 10:12 AM Re: 4 Gun Bills will be Before the Senate [Re: RedRanger]
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Originally Posted By: RedRanger
Originally Posted By: aeb
Originally Posted By: fishfree
The NRA-ILA web site will allow you to compose & send letters to your state & federal representatives (it supplies that info for you).

Down side is it requires your name, address & phone which will likely lead to spam asking for donations for re-election. My standard reply will be 'when you start performing as promised in election years THEN I will consider supporting you; if you can't get the job done you need to be replaced'.


Man I wouldn't dare write my Congressman about anything! I'm afraid that they will put me on some kind of LIST!



What a stupid comment.

Your congressman represents you, He is probably more angry about it than you are. My congressman is Sam Johnson and he's not happy with the last 7 years.


I think my "stupid statement " is the logical conclusion that can be drawn from the type of thinking expressed by people obsessed with the "they "syndrome.

Unfortunately, most people seldom interface with any of their elected officials until they have a gripe and then they raise hell with them. You want to have a window into your official's mind. Be someone other than the hell raiser from xxxxx. Contrary to popular belief, you don't have to donate a million dollars to your Congressman but you can donate time. It has served me well in the past and I feel that I have been able to provide a positive input to some good people down through the years.

This old man has many fond memories dating back a half-century century ago when ,as a young college student, I did door-to-door work for a young Congressional candidate. Never realizing that 20 years later, I would be sharing Jack Daniels with him in his Washington office. Twenty-five years ago Mother passed away. Amidst all the sadness and confusion of trying to get everyone one out the door for the funeral, I looked up and there was my Congressman and some of his folks. My first thought was,"Charlie,you're supposed to be in Eastland for a rally!" He replied that they are just going to have to wait. He wanted to be with me and my family. (Actually,they got lost trying to find the ranch.) grin

Now did I have an influence on the people that knew over the last half century? I will never know but I do know that they heard my voice....it was not lost in the crowd. And the cost to me was a bit of my time. Something anyone can do.
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#6340486 - 06/19/16 10:18 AM Re: 4 Gun Bills will be Before the Senate [Re: txwildcat]
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Originally Posted By: txwildcat
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I'm not surprised. The amount of deception and bad information in the media is unreal. The number of people willing to do their homework and THINK for themselves is limited. You have to realize if you rely on the MSM or major social media (Facebook, yahoo, twitter, etc) it is left leaning (putting it mildly).


And there is a current thread on THF on how reading a newspaper is so old fashion!

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#6342248 - 06/20/16 08:00 PM Re: 4 Gun Bills will be Before the Senate [Re: dogcatcher]
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All failed.
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#6342401 - 06/20/16 09:58 PM Re: 4 Gun Bills will be Before the Senate [Re: tth_40]
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Originally Posted By: tth_40
All failed.


Well, fail is what the U.S. government does best. In this rare case, it was a good thing.
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#6342474 - 06/20/16 11:51 PM Re: 4 Gun Bills will be Before the Senate [Re: dogcatcher]
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Awesome, but it always seems like we win one in Congress and then lose one in in the courts.

Now what can Congress do about making this legit...





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#6342628 - 06/21/16 08:13 AM Re: 4 Gun Bills will be Before the Senate [Re: tth_40]
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Originally Posted By: tth_40
All failed.


Thank God.
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