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#6332087 - 06/12/16 09:23 AM Spotting scope advice
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I'm looking at getting a spotting scope and would to hear opinions. I would like as much magnification as possible with good clarity at longer distances. I would like to stay under 400 as well.
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#6332238 - 06/12/16 11:28 AM Re: Spotting scope advice [Re: Kung Fu Widgeon]
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Vortex Viper is worth a look.
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#6332365 - 06/12/16 01:31 PM Re: Spotting scope advice [Re: Kung Fu Widgeon]
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Be careful about selecting something based on its high magnification. There are optics out there that are 60x and 75x, but still don't provide enough clarity and resolution. I'd rather have a quality 25x or 30x than a crappy 75x.
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#6332419 - 06/12/16 02:22 PM Re: Spotting scope advice [Re: RiverRider]
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^^Very spot on!

Glass clarity is far more important than magnification. And the more magnification you want, the more money you have to spend to retain the clarity.
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#6332474 - 06/12/16 03:32 PM Re: Spotting scope advice [Re: Kung Fu Widgeon]
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Recommendations? I would prefer to sacrifice magnification before clarity and cost but I can give a little on all.


Edited by Kung Fu Widgeon (06/12/16 03:33 PM)
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#6332565 - 06/12/16 04:47 PM Re: Spotting scope advice [Re: Kung Fu Widgeon]
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I've only had four spotting scopes, so my experience with them is limited.

The first was a Bushnell "Spacemaster" or some such. It was a complete and total piece of crap. Next I tried a Burris 25x-75x-70mm XTS-2575 and it was a little better, but it was difficult to focus. My third was the best, a Leupold 12-40x Golden Ring. It was very good and I was amazed at the detail I could see on distant objects. I only sold it because it was way more spotter than I need and I wanted to get the cash out of it. I replaced it with a Leupold Golden Ring Compact 15-30x. It is definitely not as good as the 12-40x, but it's plenty good for my use. I don't recall exactly what I gave for it (or even where I got it, for that matter), but I think I paid about $325 for it...maybe a bit more.
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#6332634 - 06/12/16 06:02 PM Re: Spotting scope advice [Re: Kung Fu Widgeon]
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So I will give you my experience...

Last year I was looking for a spotter. I balanced the viper hd versus the razor 11-33.

I ended up with the razor and have been happy. Part of the reason i went with the razor was to glass mountains while elk hunting in Colorado.

At the range it struggles beyond 150 yards on paper with small calibers like 556. However 30 cal I can see on paper at 200. Obviously seeing steal hits is a breeze.

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#6333598 - 06/13/16 12:16 PM Re: Spotting scope advice [Re: Cleric]
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Originally Posted By: Cleric


At the range it struggles beyond 150 yards on paper with small calibers like 556. However 30 cal I can see on paper at 200. Obviously seeing steal hits is a breeze.


I don't mean this rude, but have you had your eyes check recently? I can see bullet holes in white paper to 300 yards with my rifle scopes. That is a badazz spotter you have, so it should have no trouble doing the same.
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#6333665 - 06/13/16 01:09 PM Re: Spotting scope advice [Re: Kung Fu Widgeon]
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With spotting scopes you really get what you pay for, so you have to determine what it's specific purpose is. Range work? Backpack hunting? Spotting from truck or where mobility isn't really a factor? What's your budget?

I have owned several top shelf spotters, including a Zeiss 85T FL, Nikon 82ED, Kowa 884, and Meopta S2. I've had the S2 side by side with the Zeiss and Kowa many times, and the Meopta proved to me to be the best of the bunch. At higher mags it especially shines because it remains sharp, relatively bright, and has great resolution. No 50-65mm spotter made by anyone will out resolve, or resolve as well as a top end 85mm class spotter. Can't happen.

The Razor spotters are a pretty food value, but there are others as well.

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#6333779 - 06/13/16 03:05 PM Re: Spotting scope advice [Re: Kung Fu Widgeon]
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I scored a Leupold 20-60x80 Ventana kit from Cameraland last year. It was a demo and Doug gave me a great deal on it, like 40-50% off. I was watching deer with it at 600+ last year and for the money I doubt it could be beat. I'm sure there are plenty that are better than it but you're talking 3-4-5 times what I paid to get into one of them. I do need a better tripod at some point but I've used it twice at the range and had no problem seeing 5.56 holes at 258yds. As Jgraider asked, what's your main purpose?
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#6333914 - 06/13/16 04:59 PM Re: Spotting scope advice [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: Cleric


At the range it struggles beyond 150 yards on paper with small calibers like 556. However 30 cal I can see on paper at 200. Obviously seeing steal hits is a breeze.


I don't mean this rude, but have you had your eyes check recently? I can see bullet holes in white paper to 300 yards with my rifle scopes. That is a badazz spotter you have, so it should have no trouble doing the same.



So it has been a while since my eyes were checked....

But if I put one round round range I can clearly see it at 100-200 and beyond. If I shoot multiple rounds and am grouping I can't discern fine detail. I.e. Is it touching? Or is there a slight space?

The smaller calibers are what makes it hard. My 300 win is easy to see at 200

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#6334002 - 06/13/16 06:08 PM Re: Spotting scope advice [Re: Cleric]
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Spotting for myself, and others, I get to practice a whole lot. When you find that first hole, remember it. Shot two, look in concentric circles from shot one, in search of it. Repeat as needed. If you can never find shot two, then take yes for an answer, that you did in fact double stack two hits.

6.5 mm bullet holes were no problem to see last week at 300 yards, with pretty heavy mirage. When a few of us are shooting together, you'll hear guys spotting calling where bullets land. Then you'll often hear the shooter say "I saw it". It just takes some practice.
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#6334047 - 06/13/16 06:46 PM Re: Spotting scope advice [Re: Kung Fu Widgeon]
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Like anything. With time you get better.


The 11-33 is a great little spotter. I would love the bigger brother, but don't need it. Although I did see one at cabelas bargain cave and tried to them down on price

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#6334079 - 06/13/16 07:18 PM Re: Spotting scope advice [Re: Cleric]
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11-33X for hunting and range work.

20-60X for just range work.

I've been wanting the 20-60 with replacement 30X Mil reticle eye piece for a long time.
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#6334240 - 06/13/16 09:12 PM Re: Spotting scope advice [Re: Kung Fu Widgeon]
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If you watch the bullet, you really don't need a spotting scope at the range.
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