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#6299117 - 05/15/16 11:38 AM Reloader 17 for 6.5 Creedmore
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Just noticed that RL 17 has about the same powder burn rate as the H4350, has anyone been happy using RL 17? I asked because I hear almost everyone talking about H4350 for that particular round. Or maybe H4350 has been more consistent than RL 17, this curious mind wants to know. crazy

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#6299125 - 05/15/16 11:55 AM Re: Reloader 17 for 6.5 Creedmore [Re: TackDriver]
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Do some research on the R17 about the temp stability of it, and you won't want to use it. In your 30", I certainly wouldn't use it, since you will show pressure more with it in hot temps. It's a double base powder, with A LOT of energy, which makes it temp sensitive. It will get more speed than H4350, but at a cost.

Something you could look into is H4831, or the newer R16. The 4831 would give you a longer pressure curve, and could bump up your speeds in a longer 30" barrel.
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#6299838 - 05/16/16 01:04 AM Re: Reloader 17 for 6.5 Creedmore [Re: ChadTRG42]
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[quote=ChadTRG42}
Something you could look into is H4831, or the newer R16. The 4831 would give you a longer pressure curve, and could bump up your speeds in a longer 30" barrel. [/quote]

Are you referring to the H4831SC? I use it in my 6.5 x 284

Yes Chad, the RL 17 velocity is insane. RL 17 in a .284 Winchester pushing a 180 Berger at 3,000 fps is fast. I just read this article. http://www.6mmbr.com/reloder17.html


Edited by Big Stan (05/16/16 01:14 AM)

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#6299884 - 05/16/16 07:07 AM Re: Reloader 17 for 6.5 Creedmore [Re: TackDriver]
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I played with it some in other calibers and the speed was outstanding but like Chad mentioned I didn't feel like it as temp stable enough.
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#6300104 - 05/16/16 09:35 AM Re: Reloader 17 for 6.5 Creedmore [Re: TackDriver]
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Chad is on the money. If you're wanting to bang steel at 1000, it's not stable enough. I have detailed data on its behavior in the .30-06 and it will perform differently with only a 30-degree temp change. I think it will work fine for typical hunting up to 300 yards, but I may go with loads for warm weather and loads for cooler weather. Don't know yet.
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#6300319 - 05/16/16 11:49 AM Re: Reloader 17 for 6.5 Creedmore [Re: TackDriver]
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I use R15 in my 260. I never knew it was temp sensitive, but then again there is a lot of stuff IDK.

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#6300346 - 05/16/16 12:07 PM Re: Reloader 17 for 6.5 Creedmore [Re: Cool Mo D]
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Originally Posted By: Cool Mo D
I use R15 in my 260. I never knew it was temp sensitive, but then again there is a lot of stuff IDK.


15 isn't as bad as 17...it is still a bit temp sensitive but nothing like 17.
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#6300352 - 05/16/16 12:12 PM Re: Reloader 17 for 6.5 Creedmore [Re: RiverRider]
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Never say never, but I'll never use a powder that fluctuates in ambient temperature changes. Even the normal deer range shots I've taken (less than 250 yards) I can't, in good conscience, use a powder that will cause vertical dispersion due to temperature swings. I like to shoot does in the brainstem. Small target means you need a tight shooting rifle as well as a tight shooting load.
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#6300681 - 05/16/16 05:45 PM Re: Reloader 17 for 6.5 Creedmore [Re: TackDriver]
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I am in South Texas, its mostly warm to hot down here. Possibly RL 17 won't have much of an effect on temp change in my parts except winter days. I use RL 19 mostly for my 7 Mag for hunting, have not seen much of a problem, but I have seen a couple of lower POI ( 2 to 3 inches) during cold spells at long distance.


Edited by Big Stan (05/16/16 05:46 PM)

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#6300715 - 05/16/16 06:12 PM Re: Reloader 17 for 6.5 Creedmore [Re: TackDriver]
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I have hunted Rockchucks with a group of guys from Utah and they think Reloader 17 is the best thing since sliced bread. They are very knowledgable LR shooters too. They were shooting 6x47 and 6.5x47 Lapua's with great results but that's in Utah.

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#6300741 - 05/16/16 06:34 PM Re: Reloader 17 for 6.5 Creedmore [Re: TackDriver]
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Round here, temps from teens to 100F, DA from -300' to +3500'. I need stability wherever I can get it.
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#6300757 - 05/16/16 06:47 PM Re: Reloader 17 for 6.5 Creedmore [Re: DStroud]
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Originally Posted By: DStroud
I have hunted Rockchucks with a group of guys from Utah and they think Reloader 17 is the best thing since sliced bread. They are very knowledgable LR shooters too. They were shooting 6x47 and 6.5x47 Lapua's with great results but that's in Utah.


If memory serves me right the x47 was designed with rl17 in mind.
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#6300809 - 05/16/16 07:29 PM Re: Reloader 17 for 6.5 Creedmore [Re: TackDriver]
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I use R17 behind 120 Nosler BT's in my 260. Super accuracy, but I'm not a long range shooter, at least not out past 400 yards. I doubt I'll see any problems with what I need it for.

As for temperature instability, I just threw away an empty pound bottle of the stuff, and the bottle made no mention of temp stability. The new bottle says, on the front, "consistent max velocity in extreme weather conditions". So...maybe the temp stability problem has been addressed.

Maybe the long range guys need to give it another try.

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#6300836 - 05/16/16 07:44 PM Re: Reloader 17 for 6.5 Creedmore [Re: TackDriver]
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My 5-pound jug says the same thing on it, but it sure doesn't meet my idea of what a temperature tolerant powder should be.
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#6300847 - 05/16/16 07:57 PM Re: Reloader 17 for 6.5 Creedmore [Re: TackDriver]
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Not trying to be argumentative, but does anyone have hard data on temps and velocity variance? Data that they personally gathered?

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