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#6295068 - 05/11/16 11:13 AM Killing 8s - a management question
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This last season we were loaded up with typical eights across each age class. I am thinking about putting an edict out that we need to hammer 8s this coming season. Is there anything wrong with that mentality? I am open to the pros and cons and welcome the discussion.

I would like to see the non-typicals and 9s or better live unless they are 5+ year old.

My thought process is as follows:

1. Range conditions last Spring were optimal to produce great antlers. (I'm convinced that some marginal 6s ended up being clean 8s)
2. Range conditions this Spring seem like they will be great as well (hopefully our summer is not too harsh; big deer will get bigger and marginal deer will be average deer)
3. I am tired of seeing 120" eights that stay that way until they die of old age.
4. Spikes don't get a pass either - unless they still have milk on their lips.

Sometimes I wonder if my expectations are too high for the region we hunt. We are on a medium to larger tract of land that is a low fence MLD III property in the Brown/Eastland Co area.


Edited by HuntnFly67 (05/11/16 11:14 AM)
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#6295183 - 05/11/16 12:42 PM Re: Killing 8s - a management question [Re: HuntnFly67]
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my thought is if you are trying to manage to more than 8 pts for the most part then shoot the 8 pts that are 3 years old and older. Nothing wrong with it, just tune the harvest to your goals. Don't forget to shoot the does to though. But if you are on MLDs already you have that quota to. What does your biologist say?
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#6295420 - 05/11/16 03:48 PM Re: Killing 8s - a management question [Re: HuntnFly67]
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Had a 3yr old 8pt here that went to a 10pt at 4 years old. Was a 22" 8 and went to a 24" 10pt. IMO you never know what their going to do till they hit 4. I would not shoot 8pts till they reach 4. I don't shoot spikes either, I've owned the ranch 18 years and have never seen a 2yr old spike here.


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#6295472 - 05/11/16 04:20 PM Re: Killing 8s - a management question [Re: HuntnFly67]
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I like to compare them to their running buddies. In my experience 2 year old spikes surely do exist, otherwise I don't know how to explain the ones ive shot the last 2 years that weighed 130 lbs each.
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#6295509 - 05/11/16 05:00 PM Re: Killing 8s - a management question [Re: HuntnFly67]
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On a LF ranch in Edwards county we follow almost the exact same guidelines.
We harvest 4.5 yr old or older 8 pts and try to let the 9 pts or better reach 6.5 yr old.
Our 6.5 yr old 10 pts average upper 130's / mid 140's.
Every few years it seems we are able to harvest a 150 class buck and have had two 160 class bucks harvested over a 20 year time period.
I don't know if what we are doing is right or wrong, just trying to give you our results to compare to.
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#6295510 - 05/11/16 05:02 PM Re: Killing 8s - a management question [Re: HuntnFly67]
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I just put a blanket on 4yr old other than injured deer... unless your dealing with enough property and money
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#6295589 - 05/11/16 06:16 PM Re: Killing 8s - a management question [Re: HuntnFly67]
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Originally Posted By: HuntnFly67
This last season we were loaded up with typical eights across each age class. I am thinking about putting an edict out that we need to hammer 8s this coming season. Is there anything wrong with that mentality? I am open to the pros and cons and welcome the discussion.

I would like to see the non-typicals and 9s or better live unless they are 5+ year old.

My thought process is as follows:

1. Range conditions last Spring were optimal to produce great antlers. (I'm convinced that some marginal 6s ended up being clean 8s)
2. Range conditions this Spring seem like they will be great as well (hopefully our summer is not too harsh; big deer will get bigger and marginal deer will be average deer)
3. I am tired of seeing 120" eights that stay that way until they die of old age.
4. Spikes don't get a pass either - unless they still have milk on their lips.

Sometimes I wonder if my expectations are too high for the region we hunt. We are on a medium to larger tract of land that is a low fence MLD III property in the Brown/Eastland Co area.


Sometimes you just need to thin 8's also...they will gang up on you ..mature of course up
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#6295616 - 05/11/16 06:41 PM Re: Killing 8s - a management question [Re: HuntnFly67]
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What SniperRAB said "Sometimes you just need to thin 8's also...they will gang up on you ..mature of course up".

I saw many mature 8s last year and felt they needed to be culled. Sometimes hunters are scared to shoot for fear the big buck may be coming and just don't see him yet... and never do. I agree to tailor to your management plan for the future.

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#6295618 - 05/11/16 06:43 PM Re: Killing 8s - a management question [Re: HuntnFly67]
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If I read correctly you never said how many over 8 point deer you saw. If you are only seeing 8 point deer and you shoot them all what will you end up with?
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#6295848 - 05/11/16 08:37 PM Re: Killing 8s - a management question [Re: HuntnFly67]
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Loc: Central Texas
One thing I failed to mention was that we probably harvest five 8 pt to every 9 pt or better that we harvest. So yes, we put an emphasis on taking out the eight points. However, we have a strong 9/10 pt gene pool on the ranch. We also shoot spikes and other freak/undesirable bucks that we deem as culls. Every ranch is different and every group of hunters are different. I wish you luck putting a game plan together and hope to hear tales of your success!
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#6296131 - 05/12/16 07:23 AM Re: Killing 8s - a management question [Re: HuntnFly67]
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We hunt a smaller property, only 320 acres, so we cant support a large number of mature deer. We spend most of our time watching and dreaming about a select few deer and the rest of it shooting does and some of the lesser bucks.
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#6296144 - 05/12/16 07:34 AM Re: Killing 8s - a management question [Re: HuntnFly67]
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Last season was my buddy's first with his new ranch. It was strictly a "cull only" season. Targets were older spikes, older 8's with short tines, and 2 year olds or better with no brow tines. Seems like a sensible plan and we will probably do the same thing in season 2.


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#6296218 - 05/12/16 08:48 AM Re: Killing 8s - a management question [Re: HuntnFly67]
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Registered: 04/19/07
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Loc: Metroplex
Originally Posted By: HuntnFly67
This last season we were loaded up with typical eights across each age class. I am thinking about putting an edict out that we need to hammer 8s this coming season. Is there anything wrong with that mentality? I am open to the pros and cons and welcome the discussion.

I would like to see the non-typicals and 9s or better live unless they are 5+ year old.

My thought process is as follows:

1. Range conditions last Spring were optimal to produce great antlers. (I'm convinced that some marginal 6s ended up being clean 8s)
2. Range conditions this Spring seem like they will be great as well (hopefully our summer is not too harsh; big deer will get bigger and marginal deer will be average deer)
3. I am tired of seeing 120" eights that stay that way until they die of old age.
4. Spikes don't get a pass either - unless they still have milk on their lips.

Sometimes I wonder if my expectations are too high for the region we hunt. We are on a medium to larger tract of land that is a low fence MLD III property in the Brown/Eastland Co area.


Simple answer you won't change the genetics by culling at 2.5 or 6.5.

When you cull in any age class you are deciding you are done letting him compete for food. A good thinning never hurts unless you have no deer already


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#6296234 - 05/12/16 09:00 AM Re: Killing 8s - a management question [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
In my experience 2 year old spikes surely do exist, otherwise I don't know how to explain the ones ive shot the last 2 years that weighed 130 lbs each.



I don't doubt they do, I've seen a couple on other places I've hunted years ago. I've just never seen one here.
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#6296293 - 05/12/16 09:37 AM Re: Killing 8s - a management question [Re: HuntnFly67]
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If you took out mature 8's and 10's, would you get more 12's? Just saying.
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