I like the idea of owning quality items. I've not been able to decide to spend the money on a custom, though, when my Rem/Win factory rifles are capable of 1/3-2/3 MOA.

BTW, I like the fact that some companies (Larue, FN) send test targets with the rifle with date and ammo specs. I believe Larue sends a photocopy version, probably so they have proof that the gun is capable when the customer comes back to them complaining that their $2000+ rifle with a Tasco scope won't shoot MOA with Wolf ammo.

Might be the one behind the gun and have not one thing to do with the gun , has anyone else shot it ? I have taken high end ones like that and shot 1/2 - 3/4 all day long and then let someone who says they are a so called " expert shot" and shot 4-5'' groups at 100 yards . I am not saying your are a crapping shot but sometime it is the shooter.

If Chad is the shooter, I highly highly doubt there is a shooter or ammo issue.

I'm not that great of a shooter and his ammo makes me look like a stud at the range.

It's literally what he does for a living. I assure you it's NOT a shooter problem!

I know that and it still could be him , no one is perfect !!

Cases like this can only be one of 2 things

1. bedding job
2. barrel

the former can easily be identified/fixed... maybe you can check it and let us know
if that's the case. I am betting it is the root cause

A fool and his $8K are soon parted...Caveat Emptor.

It's interesting that they list some of their rifles with "certified targets" but the Fury model is not.

I read through their website and it took all of about 1 minute to be turned off. Their use of the words "fierce", "ferocious", "fury" are a little ridiculous and goofy.

it is amusing to me that my Ruger Ameican Predator 308 will put 5 holes in a target within 3/4 inch at 100 yds
wish i had paid more, maybe it would shoot better.

Scopes will sometimes go wonky. And screws get left loose. And sometimes specs get messed up

I collect Ruger #1's, and very eagerly grabbed one of the 2015 limited editions, a 26" barrel .223, which was advertised with a 1 in 8" twist barrel, good for heavy bullets, like the 75gr Amax. I found a rifle with nice wood, got it all fixed up, loaded some 75gr Amax loads just kissing the lands,and got 3-5MOA. Shorter bullets like the 69gr tipped Matchking did better, and 77gr OTM Bergers did about 5/8". The light went on and I measured the twist - twice and got 1 in 9" both times. I emailed Ruger and they admitted it was really a 1 in 9" twist, which is actually marginal for the 77 OTM and definitely no good for longer bullets. In my case the bullets didn't turn sideways, just grouped poorly.

If someone spec'd a fast twist barrel and the builder said, "oh heck he don't know what he wants" and used a standard twist, it may not group with the trendy ultra-long VLD bullets.

Berger has a really good stability calculator at their website; it's good for double checking that you have the correct setup for a given load.

It's all details. Debugging a poor shooter could require anything from a screwdriver, to a borescope, to a different scope, to another shooter.

Chad's not perfect but I'd back him on the money in a shooting contest against the majority of this forum. He knows what he's doing, and he knows how to diagnose problems. We talked about this after he left my range yesterday. I threw two tips at him, just as a reminder, because I knew he already knew them.

Seen many custom rifles sold second hand. Elsewhere all of the parts are listed, the Smith is listed, round count is listed, and a pic of a 5 shot 100 yard group is provided. I'd be comfortable buying one with all of that disclosed.

Over the years and quite a few rifles have a few rifles that are legit sub half MOA, one came with a sub half MOA guarantee from the factory and it easily does it (Cooper) the others are 2 customs and 2 factory Remingtons a 788 and a 700.

Agree with Chad a manufacture should provide a test target with the rifle. One of my complaints with Remington is they claim or at least did in their advertisements the 700 is the most accurate out of the box factory rifle, have had several that would not shoot 2+MOA with any load I tried including load workup for them and one that would not even chamber a round due to a large machining burr on the bolt face.

Well there are still some thing that everyone can learn even if they know much of what goes on in the shooting world , i have shot a lot of competitive comps and fully understand where he is coming from it maybe the fact that the gun does have a slight problem but the fact is i would not rule out him having an off day.

He probably also shot a couple of other rifles, testing loads. He doesn't show up to the range and only test one rifle, it's often four or five. If he was having an off day, why do the others shoot fine?

Gimme a break...an off day shooting a 1/2 inch capable rifle (like mine) doesn't result in 2 to 4 inch groups in the hands of a good shot. When I'm having an off day, I'll know it. I'd be surprised if most good shooters wouldn't recognize when they aren't on the top of their game.

Of course, some rifles are a bit tougher to shoot well than others. My light barreled 223 takes a bit more concentration and attention to technique than the semi-heavy barreled (#4 Contour) 260. When I shoot an ugly group with the 223, I fuss at myself for doing a poor job. When I shoot one with the 260, I clean the barrel.

Earlier, Chad mentioned that maybe he ought to make up some 6.5 Creedmores for sale and guarantee 1/2 inch groups. I think that's a great idea, if he sets them up like he did my Tikka, and it won't cost $8k. My 220 Swift is a great shooter, but I still have to work at good groups. Same with the 223, but that 260 is just so darn easy to shoot well with. Gotta be the semi-heavy barrel. The other two have light barrels.

But then you have to ask how many folks are really willing to pay even $2k or less for that degree of accuracy. Everyone talks it, but not everyone wants to pull out the plastic and pay for it. I finally ponied up the money, and I'm glad I did.

Oh, I've definitely had bad days at the range, where I can't get comfortable and get in my zone to shoot just right. I've packed my crap up half way through and left. One was me, and the other was the 15-20 mph shifting winds I was shooting in. I even talked about could it be me or how I was shooting it.

But I see more and more "custom" rifles that truly are not worth it. A lot of people think that the more expensive it is, the better an item should be. There are many examples where I can disprove that in the shooting world. There are some newer methods of bedding a rifle that don't require bedding and should be a good shooter. Yes, some can do this, depending on the set up. Telling a customer that his high end rifle is not shooting worth a darn stinks! I've spoken the company, and they want the rifle back to check it out. But I'll play with it again soon, and see what a more common load does in it, non VLD bullet.

If Chad says it doesn't shoot, after he has done a load work up for it, then I believe it doesnt shoot. Since the builder has still not been revealed, and he says it is a reputable builder, then my first guess is he got a crappy barrel. It happens. It may not be a smith problem at all. I dont care who it is, every so often a bad barrel will come out of a batch. I have seen it happen. I am pretty sure that any reputable barrel maker will fix it. It could also be a smith problem. I dont care how good you think you are, your rifles are still at the mercy of being made by humans, and humans make mistakes.

I agree with his original bitch. How can you guarantee it without proof. I have custom rifles from 3 different smiths, and not a one of them claimed any sort of guarantees. Do they shoot 1/2 MOA? Yes. With my hand loads? Yes. I can guarantee this. If I couldn't get them to shoot, all 3 would take them back and spend whatever time it took to make sure they did shoot before giving them back to me. Everyone and their brother in law is building rifles these days. If you want to build me a rifle and guarantee it will shoot 1/2 moa, prove it. Period...

Maybe they mean 1/2 MOA with 1 shot groups.

Too much BS here to read it all

Has anyone called the builder to send the gun back and let them fix it???

Yes, they want me to send it to them to look at and/or repair.

Hey, I can do that!

I shot a 5 shot 2 inch group at 400 yards last Saturday. Man was I proud! Then reality reared it's ugly head and I promptly went back to shooting my usual 5 - 6 inch groups.

good cant wait to see the results, keep us posted trgchadwick

Before giving up on it try another scope that is known to be good, have seen a couple scopes from reputable scope manufactures not be accurate, last one was a Vortex Viper PST last Summer.