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#6288004 - 05/05/16 09:24 AM 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
ChadTRG42 Offline
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I'm so tired of a rifle company or gunsmith marketing their "custom" rifles as a 1/2 moa guarantee!! I have shot 2 rifles this week that come from 2 different "custom" rifle companies that claim 1/2 moa guarantee, but neither company shot the rifle after completion or provide a target that proves this 1/2 MOA claim. One rifle is an $8K set up and the other a $4K set-up, and I'm getting 3-4 moa groups at 200 yards with it, and groups are stringing diagonally really bad, and throwing shots. Ammo is running sub 20 fps ES on all groups tested, and some in the 9 fps ES.

From their website-
"The ....... comes with a 1/2-inch group guarantee as do all ....... rifles but does not come with the certified target. Certifying the accuracy is left up to the shooter."

Seriously!

If a company "claims" 1/2 moa guarantee, but does not shoot the rifle after completion, or does not provide you with a target, that should raise some red flags!!! I'm tired of going to the gun range to dial these "custom" rifles in with a custom load, and it shoots worse than a decent factory rifle! They market some new method of bedless recoil method with a system that doesn't work. Rant off!
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#6288013 - 05/05/16 09:30 AM Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$! [Re: ChadTRG42]
redchevy Offline
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Sounds like someone needs to exercise the guarantee and get it right or get their green back.
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#6288033 - 05/05/16 09:42 AM Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$! [Re: ChadTRG42]
Dien Offline
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Maybe its the indian not the arrow/bow eek

But every company makes a lemon and for you not to tell who, well...

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#6288037 - 05/05/16 09:45 AM Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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That policy is interesting. They guarantee 1/2 Moa, than see its up to shooter. That should make for an easy claim imo.

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#6288047 - 05/05/16 09:52 AM Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Prolly just crappy ammo
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#6288054 - 05/05/16 09:57 AM Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Chad... Were you letting Ramball shoot it? That's 100% the problem peep
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#6288066 - 05/05/16 10:03 AM Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$! [Re: Ramball36]
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Originally Posted By: Ramball36
Prolly just crappy ammo


roflmao roflmao
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#6288069 - 05/05/16 10:05 AM Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$! [Re: ChadTRG42]
603Country Offline
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I'm leery of claims of accuracy, no matter who makes the claim. That said, my 260 Tikka T3 from Chad and my 223 from Horizon both shoot to 1/2 inch. Both those guys delivered very accurate rifles. But I still have to do my part and produce reloads good enough to shoot that well.

Still, if I spent $8000 on a rifle guaranteed to shoot to 1/2 inch, I'm going to want to know what factory load or carefully constructed reload gets me there. And some of that ammo better come with the rifle.

But then I think of a guy I know that just can't shoot worth a darn. Put my 260 in his hands and 1/2 inch groups aren't gonna happen.

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#6288079 - 05/05/16 10:13 AM Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$! [Re: ChadTRG42]
ChadTRG42 Offline
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What's funny, is one of the companies actually told me it could be the ammo. I paused, and ask where do you want to start with this one.

603Country, I've thought about building a ton of the 6.5 CM rifles to have a good rifle, at a good price, that actually shoots to 1/2 moa or better.

The bottom line is, as a consumer, you have to ask questions, do some research, and make an educated decision.
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#6288080 - 05/05/16 10:13 AM Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Had a few come through my dads shop to get custom loads and zeroed that were worse than some semi-customs and factory rifles we have. Burn alot time playing with different bullets, seating depth, powders, etc. Try explaining to a customer the best their gun will shoot is 2MOA after they have spent 5k+ on a rifle with $2500 optics.

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#6288081 - 05/05/16 10:14 AM Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$! [Re: spg]
ChadTRG42 Offline
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Originally Posted By: spg
Try explaining to a customer the best their gun will shoot is 2MOA after they have spent 5k+ on a rifle with $2500 optics.


^^^ Exactly! That conversation is never a good one. I've had several of those conversations recently.
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#6288089 - 05/05/16 10:21 AM Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Did you ever have to go through a demonstration using a factory rifle to actually assure them they got screwed?

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#6288095 - 05/05/16 10:25 AM Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Some folks didn't do their homework if they paid that much

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#6288098 - 05/05/16 10:26 AM Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$! [Re: ChadTRG42]
Cleric Offline
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Who was it?

Did they specify what ammo they test with?

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#6288107 - 05/05/16 10:32 AM Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$! [Re: Cleric]
ChadTRG42 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Cleric
Who was it? Did they specify what ammo they test with?


No, they didn't even shoot the rifle!
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