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#6283753 - 05/02/16 02:00 PM Plinker AR-15 comparisons
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Thinking of adding another AR to the fold. Looking at the DPMS Oracle and the Diamondback DB15. Anyone have a preference of the two?

Why one over the other?
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#6283788 - 05/02/16 02:29 PM Re: Plinker AR-15 comparisons [Re: Bbear]
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The one you find cheapest. They're all about the same.
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#6283829 - 05/02/16 03:04 PM Re: Plinker AR-15 comparisons [Re: Bbear]
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That's what I was thinking. Thanks for that. I've got an H-bar 20" that I like to 'get serious' with. Just wanted something to help make empties!
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#6283861 - 05/02/16 03:23 PM Re: Plinker AR-15 comparisons [Re: Bbear]
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If the diamondback has a poly lower I would steer clear of it. Other than that, but the cheaper one and spend what you have left on a trigger and ammo haha.
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#6284257 - 05/02/16 07:43 PM Re: Plinker AR-15 comparisons [Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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Originally Posted By: Tactical Cowboy
The one you find cheapest. They're all about the same.


Um...No.

While different brands may look similar, they're not all about the same.

If a person wants another AR solely for being able to say "I have X number of AR's" anything will probably work.

If a person wants to shoot 50 rounds a year , again, anything will probably work.

With quality AR's selling very inexpensively right now, it should be an easy choice.

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#6284282 - 05/02/16 08:04 PM Re: Plinker AR-15 comparisons [Re: Leaveammoforme]
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Originally Posted By: Tactical Cowboy
The one you find cheapest. They're all about the same.


Um...No.

While different brands may look similar, they're not all about the same.

If a person wants another AR solely for being able to say "I have X number of AR's" anything will probably work.

If a person wants to shoot 50 rounds a year , again, anything will probably work.

With quality AR's selling very inexpensively right now, it should be an easy choice.


Yes.

In the cheap-o AR field, they're all about the same. DPMS, S&W, Colt, Bushmaster.. pretty much the same product.

Is an Oracle comparable to a JP? Not even close.

I suggest you look into barrel and receiver alloys, and you'll see the materials used in the sub $800 AR's are the same.
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#6284305 - 05/02/16 08:24 PM Re: Plinker AR-15 comparisons [Re: Bbear]
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I have had a Oracle for a couple of years, no issues and shoots sub 1 MOA. Stay from Polymer lowers.
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#6284309 - 05/02/16 08:30 PM Re: Plinker AR-15 comparisons [Re: Bbear]
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and that choice is?
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#6284314 - 05/02/16 08:33 PM Re: Plinker AR-15 comparisons [Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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Originally Posted By: Tactical Cowboy


Yes.

In the cheap-o AR field, they're all about the same. DPMS, S&W, Colt, Bushmaster.. pretty much the same product.

Is an Oracle comparable to a JP? Not even close.

I suggest you look into barrel and receiver alloys, and you'll see the materials used in the sub $800 AR's are the same.



I'm not saying a person needs a Noveske or a Knights. I'm simply stating that money can be better spent even on the cheaper end of the spectrum.

Colt in the same paragraph as Bushmaster? Wow.

Here's a solid rifle that will hold resale value, had actual quality control inspections and is in your $800 range.

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=6720

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#6284379 - 05/02/16 09:25 PM Re: Plinker AR-15 comparisons [Re: Leaveammoforme]
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Originally Posted By: Leaveammoforme
Originally Posted By: Tactical Cowboy


Yes.

In the cheap-o AR field, they're all about the same. DPMS, S&W, Colt, Bushmaster.. pretty much the same product.

Is an Oracle comparable to a JP? Not even close.

I suggest you look into barrel and receiver alloys, and you'll see the materials used in the sub $800 AR's are the same.



I'm not saying a person needs a Noveske or a Knights. I'm simply stating that money can be better spent even on the cheaper end of the spectrum.

Colt in the same paragraph as Bushmaster? Wow.

Here's a solid rifle that will hold resale value, had actual quality control inspections and is in your $800 range.

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=6720


I think you're confusing what Colt used to be. They are sold in Walmart. At least they were a couple years ago. Best value would be S&W Sport in my book.

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#6284423 - 05/02/16 09:54 PM Re: Plinker AR-15 comparisons [Re: Leaveammoforme]
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And can you tell me why it is so much better than a $500 Oracle? Or is it only because the guy at the gun store told you so?

To the OP, just over five bills will get you a good rifle. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/70770


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#6284453 - 05/02/16 10:31 PM Re: Plinker AR-15 comparisons [Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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Originally Posted By: Tactical Cowboy
And can you tell me why it is so much better than a $500 Oracle? Or is it only because the guy at the gun store told you so?

To the OP, just over five bills will get you a good rifle. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/70770


Please do get the Oracle, then remember this thread when it chokes.

Funny that alloy specs were brought up then you linked a rifle with a 4140 barrel. No mention of what the bolt or carrier is made from. Wonder why that is? Buffer weight? We already know the gas port is on the large side just because it's a DPMS.

Material specs not being mentioned by DPMS is because they don't want to rat themselves out. They'd rather try to sell an AR by looks and cost.

I'll be the first to admit that most AR owners will never shoot out a DPMS. They'll rock a Tasco red dot with NC Star back up sights being content that they own an "AR".

It'll come out once a year to shoot on a static range. It'll be sub-moa with Wolf steel cased ammo by all accounts of people who were present. High fives all around.

I can see I won't be a good match for this forum.

If anyone is interested in learning how to spend their hard earned money in an efficient manner head over to M4carbine.net. You don't need to join to read stickies.

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#6284466 - 05/02/16 10:38 PM Re: Plinker AR-15 comparisons [Re: jeepercreeper]
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Originally Posted By: jeepercreeper


I think you're confusing what Colt used to be. They are sold in Walmart. At least they were a couple years ago. Best value would be S&W Sport in my book.


Walmart had legit 6920's for awhile at great prices. Colt does have some newer stuff that was farmed out like the 6900's.

Tough to go wrong with a 6720 or 6920.

I will agree that the S&W Sport is a decent rifle for the money.

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#6284471 - 05/02/16 10:43 PM Re: Plinker AR-15 comparisons [Re: Leaveammoforme]
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Originally Posted By: Tactical Cowboy
And can you tell me why it is so much better than a $500 Oracle? Or is it only because the guy at the gun store told you so?

To the OP, just over five bills will get you a good rifle. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/70770


Please do get the Oracle, then remember this thread when it chokes.

Funny that alloy specs were brought up then you linked a rifle with a 4140 barrel. No mention of what the bolt or carrier is made from. Wonder why that is? Buffer weight? We already know the gas port is on the large side just because it's a DPMS.

Material specs not being mentioned by DPMS is because they don't want to rat themselves out. They'd rather try to sell an AR by looks and cost.

I'll be the first to admit that most AR owners will never shoot out a DPMS. They'll rock a Tasco red dot with NC Star back up sights being content that they own an "AR".

It'll come out once a year to shoot on a static range. It'll be sub-moa with Wolf steel cased ammo by all accounts of people who were present. High fives all around.

I can see I won't be a good match for this forum.

If anyone is interested in learning how to spend their hard earned money in an efficient manner head over to M4carbine.net. You don't need to join to read stickies.


The last time I checked, Colt was the one that did not have receiver or barrel materials posted on their website.

Also, I have put better than 10,000 rounds through my dpms upper, and have had no issues with it. Does it hold sub moa with wolf ammo? Hell no. Does it do so with my handloads? You betcha. That rifle and myself have won 3 gun matches against guns that cost easily twice as much.
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#6284509 - 05/03/16 12:06 AM Re: Plinker AR-15 comparisons [Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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Originally Posted By: Tactical Cowboy


The last time I checked, Colt was the one that did not have receiver or barrel materials posted on their website.

Also, I have put better than 10,000 rounds through my dpms upper, and have had no issues with it. Does it hold sub moa with wolf ammo? Hell no. Does it do so with my handloads? You betcha. That rifle and myself have won 3 gun matches against guns that cost easily twice as much.


The information is out there. Colt uses "Mil-Spec" in the correct sense. As in adheres to the TDP. Other manufacturers (not all) erroneously use the term. They may meet material requirements but they fail to meet the inspection/quality control requirements.

If you shoot 3 gun, you've seen guns have failures. More often than not it's repeat brands you've seen before. You also know 10k rounds isn't a big milestone.

I don't doubt that you out run rifles that are two times or even three times the cost. It's the guy pulling the trigger who wins, not the gear. But, your gear can stop you from winning.

I shoot with guys who pull first place finishes with DPMS's. I also shoot with guys who pull last place finishes because their DPMS wouldn't run.

You, as well as I, know a few hundred bucks between a gun that may or may not run versus one that will should be a no brainer.

The firearm itself is the cheapest and most critical part to shooting. Ammunition alone will easily be twenty times the cost over the lifetime of the firearm. Why not set the OP straight now when he's making the Step 1 decision?

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