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 Re: Hybrid vs VLD
[Re: Judd]
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05/03/16 12:57 AM
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Dang!
I was going to experiment with them in .005" jump increments.
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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05/03/16 01:04 AM
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I've never touched my oal on my 6cm load and the rifle has around 1200rds on it. The last time I shot anything remotely close to groups was this group my wife shoot at 400yds on a red flag warning day. Is it overly impressive no but with limited experience in poor conditions it's good. 
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
[Re: Judd]
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05/03/16 01:05 AM
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He's missing every window tuning them like a vld. Most everyone I know who shoots hybrids can find a window between touching and .025 jump. DUDE......read my posts. They shot lights out with great #s at 10 thou off. That's a cartridge overall length of 2.900 in my rifle....that makes it single feed only. Why would I waste any more time dicking with this bullet? It's not the end all when it comes to a great 6.5 pill there's a TON to choose from.
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
[Re: TackDriver]
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05/03/16 01:31 AM
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I'm reading.... There are other windows that will shoot like it does at .010. You're jumping over them and missing them. It's no big deal, as you said (and I agree) there are a lot of good bullets out there. I might be jumping to conclusions but I would guess you've not played with hybrids a bunch because everyone who has played with them a lot say they're easier to tune. You just have the vld's figured out and they are easier for you...nothing wrong with that as vld's are a good bullet and if you have them figured out, then why change. I don't like chasing lands and that is the main reason I dumped them and went to a hybrid.
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
[Re: TackDriver]
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05/03/16 01:44 AM
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I might be missing them if I'm testing in .020 jumps...but then again they're jump tolerant bullets right? I went with the shorter 130 hybrid as it's loaded to a mag friendly length and shoots tight. That bullets allows me plenty of space to load out longer as the throat wears...as does the 139 or 136 scenars that shot well for me.
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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05/03/16 02:32 PM
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Four shots at 100, hybrids.
Even Berger says the Hybrid are not as picky as the VLDs, but YMMV.
Cool.....now shoot 3-4 more groups with .010 jump sequence and I bet you won't produce groups near that size. I'm not saying hybrids suck...they're a great bullet. My personal experience is they require a lot of work to shoot well. Man you jerked the crap out of shot #5 Man, you called me out!
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
[Re: jeff1383]
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05/03/16 08:13 PM
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I might be missing them if I'm testing in .020 jumps...but then again they're jump tolerant bullets right? Sure they're jump tolerant. I think what the guys are saying is that you probably could have made them shoot had you not jumped in such large increments. And, personally I'd want to know if I could refine my methods to make even better hand loads. I think everyone's motivation is that of wanting to help with information for future projects, rather than calling you dumb
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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05/03/16 11:14 PM
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I might be missing them if I'm testing in .020 jumps...but then again they're jump tolerant bullets right? Sure they're jump tolerant. I think what the guys are saying is that you probably could have made them shoot had you not jumped in such large increments. And, personally I'd want to know if I could refine my methods to make even better hand loads. I think everyone's motivation is that of wanting to help with information for future projects, rather than calling you dumb No offense taken trust me. I like hybrids and the concept. I have a 338nm that was purposely built just for the 300 grain hybrid with shorter free bore. I usually find my go to load with a bullet in 2 trips to the range. The hybrid in my creedmoor chamber for 2 different rifles required much effort to fine tune. If I have to seat them in groups of 5 by .005 and shoot a box of bullets over multiple trips to the range....I'll just shoot a more forgiving projectile. Again this is just my personal experience. I'm not here telling anyone not to buy them trust me it's a great bullet.
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
[Re: jeff1383]
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05/04/16 01:40 AM
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Funny you mention that. Judd taught me something about a month ago.
We had found "the powder charge". I got behind his rifle while he loaded ammo. I shot two rounds with the bullet even with the lands. I told him the spread in Mils. He jumped them .003", and loaded two. I shot those two, and reported the spread. Moved on with more of a jump, and we repeated. We carried on for several seating depth tests with only two shots. Then it tightened up. He noted the jump, and we carried on. It never got better, so we went back to that specific jump and he loaded me three. I shot that group, and it was pretty darn good. We did all this at 200 yards where it was plenty easy to see bullet holes.
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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05/04/16 01:55 AM
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Seating depth can be super crucial depending on if the bullet needs that specific sweet spot. I always find my charge weight then fine tune with different seating depths. It's how I started and how I still do it to this day.
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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05/04/16 02:25 AM
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As is the usual process for most of us.
The point I was making is that we shot very few rounds, and did not jump the bullets near as large as twenty thousandth increments.
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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05/04/16 03:03 AM
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Are the 6.5 Berger Hybrids only available in 130 grain? It's the Tactical OTM bullets, correct?
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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05/04/16 03:10 AM
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Are the 6.5 Berger Hybrids only available in 130 grain? It's the Tactical OTM bullets, correct?
No there's a 140 hybrid and a 130 otm hybrid. 2800 fps range seems to be the ticket for the 140s. Some guys reporting accuracy with the 130s at a tad over 3000 fps. 2840-2950 is the norm for velocity I've seen for the 130s.
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
[Re: J.G.]
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05/04/16 03:11 AM
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As is the usual process for most of us.
The point I was making is that we shot very few rounds, and did not jump the bullets near as large as twenty thousandth increments. True dat 
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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05/04/16 03:15 AM
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Are the 6.5 Berger Hybrids only available in 130 grain? It's the Tactical OTM bullets, correct?
No there's a 140 hybrid and a 130 otm hybrid. 2800 fps range seems to be the ticket for the 140s. Some guys reporting accuracy with the 130s at a tad over 3000 fps. 2840-2950 is the norm for velocity I've seen for the 130s. Right, but I was looking for 130 Hybrids only. Are you referring the velocity to the 6.5 Creedmore or 6.5 x 284?
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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05/04/16 03:18 AM
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Are the 6.5 Berger Hybrids only available in 130 grain? It's the Tactical OTM bullets, correct?
No there's a 140 hybrid and a 130 otm hybrid. 2800 fps range seems to be the ticket for the 140s. Some guys reporting accuracy with the 130s at a tad over 3000 fps. 2840-2950 is the norm for velocity I've seen for the 130s. Right, but I was looking for 130 Hybrids only. Are you referring the velocity to the 6.5 Creedmore or 6.5 x 284? The 130 otm hybrid is the bullet I'm referring to. It's the only one as far as the hybrid design in that bullet weight class of 130. I'm referring to 6.5 creedmoor not x284.
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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05/04/16 03:23 AM
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 From another website. I DON'T advise to do that without safely working up. I'm at 43.3 and getting 2922 fps avg. On my 4th firing of the same lot of hornady brass and the primer pockets are still tight.
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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05/04/16 03:24 AM
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Are the 6.5 Berger Hybrids only available in 130 grain? It's the Tactical OTM bullets, correct?
No there's a 140 hybrid and a 130 otm hybrid. 2800 fps range seems to be the ticket for the 140s. Some guys reporting accuracy with the 130s at a tad over 3000 fps. 2840-2950 is the norm for velocity I've seen for the 130s. Right, but I was looking for 130 Hybrids only. Are you referring the velocity to the 6.5 Creedmore or 6.5 x 284? The 130 otm hybrid is the bullet I'm referring to. It's the only one as far as the hybrid design in that bullet weight class of 130. I'm referring to 6.5 creedmoor not x284. I heard most of the tournament shooters are winning with the 130's.
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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05/04/16 03:30 AM
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Not sure if they are or not. I don't have enough $ or free time to even start to compete with those class of shooters. You should try 140 hybrids or 130s. Let your rifle tell you what it likes.
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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05/04/16 11:32 AM
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A lot of guys in PRS run a 140 hybrid toned down to the 2750fps range. Speed is fine and great but comes with higher pressure which can be a issue in damp conditions or after a high shot count fast string.
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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Ordered both Hybrids, thanks guys. Still waiting for the rings for the Creedmore. I'll work up some handloads and see how it does. 
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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05/04/16 04:58 PM
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I am shooting 140 Hybrids at the lands out of my 6.5-284 at about 2975.
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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05/04/16 05:19 PM
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Funny you mention that. Judd taught me something about a month ago.
We had found "the powder charge". I got behind his rifle while he loaded ammo. I shot two rounds with the bullet even with the lands. I told him the spread in Mils. He jumped them .003", and loaded two. I shot those two, and reported the spread. Moved on with more of a jump, and we repeated. We carried on for several seating depth tests with only two shots. Then it tightened up. He noted the jump, and we carried on. It never got better, so we went back to that specific jump and he loaded me three. I shot that group, and it was pretty darn good. We did all this at 200 yards where it was plenty easy to see bullet holes. Dude...don't give all my secrets away...especially to the non-paying customers  I'm kidding but JG is right, that is how I test seating depth...a Wilson seating die and arbor press make this much easier to do at the range. In my experience you get a more consistent OAL too...keep in mind much like regular seating dies you will need what Wilson calls a "swift" stem for hybrid or VLD bullets...otherwise you'll get a real nice ring around them at the top.
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Re: Hybrid vs VLD
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05/06/16 05:38 PM
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I was in a hurry go hog hunting and try some 185 VLD's. I just loaded them to mag length in my FTR rifle and checked sight-in. I figured I would go through Berger's recommended seating depth process later. The darn thing shot as good or better than when they were jammed. VLD's may always shoot well jammed and may sometimes need adjustment to shoot jumped, but they can definitely be made to shoot when jumping, and in my case, they went straight to shooting
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