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#6282492 - 05/01/16 03:56 PM Let's discuss range
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I say you will find more birds and save steps with a big running dog. What say you?
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#6282900 - 05/01/16 08:52 PM Re: Let's discuss range [Re: bill oxner]
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I think you find more birds with a big running dog that is hunting. Some are just running just to feel the wind blowing through their ears.

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#6282961 - 05/01/16 09:33 PM Re: Let's discuss range [Re: bill oxner]
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as long as you have a second dog that is hunting in the gap between you and the big running dog.
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#6282980 - 05/01/16 09:52 PM Re: Let's discuss range [Re: dune2218]
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I have the second dog that is as good as I have ever hunted behind. But when she is down with my All Age running setter, you would be surprised how few birds she finds behind him. He does not miss many. It does happen occasionally though.

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#6283079 - 05/02/16 02:46 AM Re: Let's discuss range [Re: NorthTXbirdhunter]
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Originally Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter
I have the second dog that is as good as I have ever hunted behind. But when she is down with my All Age running setter, you would be surprised how few birds she finds behind him. He does not miss many. It does happen occasionally though.



Yep. For every bird my closer working dog finds my big runner will find 10. Year after year. From Idaho chukar to Texas woodcock and everything in between


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#6283422 - 05/02/16 10:31 AM Re: Let's discuss range [Re: blanked]
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I love a dog that knows where the front is and runs big. That dog I will trial. For bird hunting I want them no more than 150 to 200, I like to see them and enjoy them making game once in a while. GPS is great but much rather see them stick a covey then hear about.


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#6283496 - 05/02/16 11:22 AM Re: Let's discuss range [Re: bill oxner]
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What is a big runner?
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#6283684 - 05/02/16 01:15 PM Re: Let's discuss range [Re: MS1454]
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Originally Posted By: MS1454
What is a big runner?


The answer is very subjective....it will vary with every hunter. What is a short race to me maybe long to the next guy and vice versa. Like Chet, when I am on foot, 200 yards max is all I want out of one, only then with a tracking collar. If I am on a horse or in my mule, LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL! My older dogs know the difference. They will hunt well either way. But I love seeing that big white setter of mine handling at 1/2 a mile and going to the next objective. Long, dug up limb finds are the best! Right Chet?

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#6283709 - 05/02/16 01:37 PM Re: Let's discuss range [Re: bill oxner]
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Assuming the bird handling skills are the same--the big runner will find more birds. However, the big runner has to be a better bird handler.
The longer the dog is on point, the more likely the birds are to run or flush. It does take quite a bit of time to cover 300 yards as opposed to 50 yards. This year, we hunted behind several dogs that would get out 500 yds. and go on point--that takes a good bit of time to walk when it is over root plowed ground and you are pushing 70. Usually when we had a dog down that far out it would self relocate twice before we saw the dog.

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#6283745 - 05/02/16 01:54 PM Re: Let's discuss range [Re: NorthTXbirdhunter]
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Originally Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter
Originally Posted By: MS1454
What is a big runner?


The answer is very subjective....it will vary with every hunter. What is a short race to me maybe long to the next guy and vice versa. Like Chet, when I am on foot, 200 yards max is all I want out of one, only then with a tracking collar. If I am on a horse or in my mule, LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL! My older dogs know the difference. They will hunt well either way. But I love seeing that big white setter of mine handling at 1/2 a mile and going to the next objective. Long, dug up limb finds are the best! Right Chet?


Couldn't be righter up
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#6283943 - 05/02/16 04:13 PM Re: Let's discuss range [Re: Chet]
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Originally Posted By: Chet
Originally Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter
Originally Posted By: MS1454
What is a big runner?


The answer is very subjective....it will vary with every hunter. What is a short race to me maybe long to the next guy and vice versa. Like Chet, when I am on foot, 200 yards max is all I want out of one, only then with a tracking collar. If I am on a horse or in my mule, LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL! My older dogs know the difference. They will hunt well either way. But I love seeing that big white setter of mine handling at 1/2 a mile and going to the next objective. Long, dug up limb finds are the best! Right Chet?


Couldn't be righter up


Chet,
Tell us about that pointer in your sig line. That is one fine looking animal. Are you trialing her? (looks like a her) What is the breeding?

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#6284018 - 05/02/16 05:01 PM Re: Let's discuss range [Re: NorthTXbirdhunter]
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That's Ace, a tight bred Elhew female that I unfortunately sold with the rest of my dogs about a year and a half ago. The health issue that caused me to do it has been taken care of but she and Beau (a fine animal that was recently named RU Champion at the Eastern Open SD Championship) and a couple of nice pups out of Ace and Beau are gone. I have a Millers Online pup (Frank) that I think will do some winning in the future and some pups on the way, but Ace was a truly fine quail dog and I miss her..

This is Frank with a backyard stop to flush grin


Edited by Chet (05/02/16 05:05 PM)
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#6284028 - 05/02/16 05:09 PM Re: Let's discuss range [Re: bill oxner]
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Love a big running dog. I'm happy at 800-900 yards when on horses. They need adjust while foot hunting but even then I like them to stretch out.

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#6284042 - 05/02/16 05:23 PM Re: Let's discuss range [Re: Chet]
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Originally Posted By: Chet
That's Ace, a tight bred Elhew female that I unfortunately sold with the rest of my dogs about a year and a half ago. The health issue that caused me to do it has been taken care of but she and Beau (a fine animal that was recently named RU Champion at the Eastern Open SD Championship) and a couple of nice pups out of Ace and Beau are gone. I have a Millers Online pup (Frank) that I think will do some winning in the future and some pups on the way, but Ace was a truly fine quail dog and I miss her..

This is Frank with a backyard stop to flush grin




Chet,

That is a great stop to fence...I mean flush. clap

I bet the boogerman was in the lot on the other side of the fence.


Edited by NorthTXbirdhunter (05/02/16 05:25 PM)

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#6284123 - 05/02/16 06:18 PM Re: Let's discuss range [Re: Chet]
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Originally Posted By: Chet
I love a dog that knows where the front is and runs big. That dog I will trial. For bird hunting I want them no more than 150 to 200, I like to see them and enjoy them making game once in a while. GPS is great but much rather see them stick a covey then hear about.
I agree. I do like those trial dogs to the front looking like an aspirin with a tail working like a windshield wiper cracking high and then the slam point. Nothing in the whole wide world prettier than a sliding slam point. But that's just my opinion.
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