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#6280446 - 04/29/16 02:20 PM Interesting article- sums up when you allow fair chase to be defined
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Interesting article---when anti's use a rift among hunters- Anti's end up defining fair chase... In the end bear population explodes and so do bear/people issues.. The Anti's are pecking away at us

"“Our efforts are focused on what we consider to be the worst abuses,” says HSUS Wildlife Protection Director Elise Traub in an Outside Online interview. “I think the public and even a lot of ethical hunters have these standards like fair-chase, where animals have a fair chance to get away from the hunter. That’s completely absent in hound hunting, and when the public learns about that, they’re disgusted by it.”

Allowing groups such as the HSUS to determine what is “fair chase” is dangerous."


http://www.gohunt.com/read/life/systematic-attacks-on-black-bear-hunting-in-california

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#6280546 - 04/29/16 03:56 PM Re: Interesting article- sums up when you allow fair chase to be defined [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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#6280835 - 04/29/16 08:14 PM Re: Interesting article- sums up when you allow fair chase to be defined [Re: Texas Tatonkas]
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#6281123 - 04/30/16 07:29 AM Re: Interesting article- sums up when you allow fair chase to be defined [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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HSUS is a horrible organization. What I really think about them wouldnt be allowed on this board.
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#6281172 - 04/30/16 08:36 AM Re: Interesting article- sums up when you allow fair chase to be defined [Re: rtp]
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Originally Posted By: rtp
HSUS is a horrible organization. What I really think about them wouldnt be allowed on this board.


Agreed
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#6281408 - 04/30/16 12:58 PM Re: Interesting article- sums up when you allow fair chase to be defined [Re: Eland Slayer]
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Originally Posted By: Eland Slayer
Originally Posted By: rtp
HSUS is a horrible organization. What I really think about them wouldnt be allowed on this board.


Agreed


And we seem to be playing right into their hands

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#6281458 - 04/30/16 01:59 PM Re: Interesting article- sums up when you allow fair chase to be defined [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: Eland Slayer
Originally Posted By: rtp
HSUS is a horrible organization. What I really think about them wouldnt be allowed on this board.


Agreed


And we seem to be playing right into their hands


HSUS sucks - on that all here will agree.

Curious though, are you saying there should be no definition of "fair chase" period?
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#6281636 - 04/30/16 06:18 PM Re: Interesting article- sums up when you allow fair chase to be defined [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: Eland Slayer
Originally Posted By: rtp
HSUS is a horrible organization. What I really think about them wouldnt be allowed on this board.


Agreed


And we seem to be playing right into their hands


HSUS sucks - on that all here will agree.

Curious though, are you saying there should be no definition of "fair chase" period?


I'm saying careful how you express your opinion, when you trash a legal method of hunting, you might as well be the HSUS.... They have banned baiting, dogs and ever seasons so far.

So yes I think the term fair chase is complete an utter BS. There is no true definition, can't be one, not when you are human and have the mind and Physical ability that makes you the ultimate predator. As soon as you define it you give ammo to anti's to chip away at every thing we do as hunters, especially when divide as seen in the article.

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#6281937 - 04/30/16 11:00 PM Re: Interesting article- sums up when you allow fair chase to be defined [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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What bs .

What gives the antis their ammo is hunters NOT having any definitions, standards, or ethics. If we don't decide what they are as HUNTERS, that's what opens the door for others to decide them for us.

By saying fair chase is "complete and udder(sic) BS", you provide more ammo for antis than those willing to debate what constitutes fair chase ever will. Why? Because it fits right into any anti-hunting narrative that hunters are just out to satisfy some bloodlust by killing.
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#6282108 - 05/01/16 09:28 AM Re: Interesting article- sums up when you allow fair chase to be defined [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
What bs .

What gives the antis their ammo is hunters NOT having any definitions, standards, or ethics. If we don't decide what they are as HUNTERS, that's what opens the door for others to decide them for us.

By saying fair chase is "complete and udder(sic) BS", you provide more ammo for antis than those willing to debate what constitutes fair chase ever will. Why? Because it fits right into any anti-hunting narrative that hunters are just out to satisfy some bloodlust by killing.



I
up to N.P.'s comment.

On a slightly different, probably off-topic, note: do anti's ever try to post on here? Now that could get interesting quick .... I am guessing that they are probably filtered out.

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#6282114 - 05/01/16 09:31 AM Re: Interesting article- sums up when you allow fair chase to be defined [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
What bs .

What gives the antis their ammo is hunters NOT having any definitions, standards, or ethics. If we don't decide what they are as HUNTERS, that's what opens the door for others to decide them for us.

By saying fair chase is "complete and udder(sic) BS", you provide more ammo for antis than those willing to debate what constitutes fair chase ever will. Why? Because it fits right into any anti-hunting narrative that hunters are just out to satisfy some bloodlust by killing.



Says a guy that uses a $$$ rifle and top end outfitters.....

Legal is legal, ethics are defined by the law. Again like I mentioned before forest to plate shuts up any anti, you can't tell the difference in a deer steak that was shot with a traditional wooden arrow vs 500 yards with a custom rifle. You can't tell the difference in a mule deer steak that wade lemon guided on the strip and one shot in west Texas from a high rack. You can't tell the difference In a whitetail steak that was killed under a feeder vs a trail in the Sabine River bottoms.

Like I said Fair chase is 100% BS!!! All it does is create riffs, feeders vs no feeders, feeders vs food plots, rifles vs archery, guide vs unguided, private vs public, hounds vs no hounds, shooting from boat vs non boat. List can go on and on.

Thoughts like yours is what will close hunting. Your way or the highway.


The article proves my point. When free chase is defined Anti's use it to close opportunity and seasons. Period


Something simple as Baiting and Hounds... Now gone because of anti using riffs amoung hunters. But like always YOU don't care because it's not how you hunt so no biggy..

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#6282123 - 05/01/16 09:41 AM Re: Interesting article- sums up when you allow fair chase to be defined [Re: ALM TXhunter]
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Originally Posted By: ALM TXhunter
Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
What bs .

What gives the antis their ammo is hunters NOT having any definitions, standards, or ethics. If we don't decide what they are as HUNTERS, that's what opens the door for others to decide them for us.

By saying fair chase is "complete and udder(sic) BS", you provide more ammo for antis than those willing to debate what constitutes fair chase ever will. Why? Because it fits right into any anti-hunting narrative that hunters are just out to satisfy some bloodlust by killing.



I
up to N.P.'s comment.

On a slightly different, probably off-topic, note: do anti's ever try to post on here? Now that could get interesting quick .... I am guessing that they are probably filtered out.



Think about that for a second.... So you can't use feeders in Iowa because that's not fair chase so should that make 40 states that use feeders non fair chase?

What about states like Iowa that don't allow center fire rifles? Rifles aren't fair chase apparently, so you ready to give up using your rifle?

This is what the article is telling you will happen

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#6282171 - 05/01/16 10:43 AM Re: Interesting article- sums up when you allow fair chase to be defined [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
What bs .

What gives the antis their ammo is hunters NOT having any definitions, standards, or ethics. If we don't decide what they are as HUNTERS, that's what opens the door for others to decide them for us.

By saying fair chase is "complete and udder(sic) BS", you provide more ammo for antis than those willing to debate what constitutes fair chase ever will. Why? Because it fits right into any anti-hunting narrative that hunters are just out to satisfy some bloodlust by killing.



Says a guy that uses a $$$ rifle and top end outfitters.....

Legal is legal, ethics are defined by the law. Again like I mentioned before forest to plate shuts up any anti, you can't tell the difference in a deer steak that was shot with a traditional wooden arrow vs 500 yards with a custom rifle. You can't tell the difference in a mule deer steak that wade lemon guided on the strip and one shot in west Texas from a high rack. You can't tell the difference In a whitetail steak that was killed under a feeder vs a trail in the Sabine River bottoms.

Like I said Fair chase is 100% BS!!! All it does is create riffs, feeders vs no feeders, feeders vs food plots, rifles vs archery, guide vs unguided, private vs public, hounds vs no hounds, shooting from boat vs non boat. List can go on and on.

Thoughts like yours is what will close hunting. Your way or the highway.


The article proves my point. When free chase is defined Anti's use it to close opportunity and seasons. Period


Something simple as Baiting and Hounds... Now gone because of anti using riffs amoung hunters. But like always YOU don't care because it's not how you hunt so no biggy..


I agree 100% Bobo.

Blood lust killing? Come on NP, these antis support it every time they eat chicken at a restaraunt. Fair chase, the chicken lives in the cage its whole life being Sh!t on from above until it's slaughtered for the table. It is OK to admit we enjoy killing our meat and not try to shy away from it. Our methods are far more ethical and fair chase then the methods they support every day when they sit down at the dinner table.
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#6282449 - 05/01/16 03:11 PM Re: Interesting article- sums up when you allow fair chase to be defined [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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This thread makes zero sense. In your zeal to equate those who subscribe to and discuss fair chase with antis, you are willing to throw out fair chase as BS. If you don't understand how crazy that is and where that path leads, I can't help you.

The antis don't matter. The rest of the folks do. The non-hunters and hunters who don't think the notion of fair chase is BS do matter. Equate hunting with just killing, and you'll find the island you're on to be pretty small.

The real threat to hunting is not those who subscribe to fair chase and are willing to discuss what it should look like - it's those who have no standards at all.

Plus all the presumptions about how I feel about hounds, feeders, rifles in Iowa, etc. are just that - presumptions. Straw men. I never said anything against them. Just silly deflection.


Edited by Nogalus Prairie (05/01/16 03:12 PM)
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#6282471 - 05/01/16 03:40 PM Re: Interesting article- sums up when you allow fair chase to be defined [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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Those are examples not your personal opinion. Starting to think you are commenting again with out reading the article.

I'll paraphase it for you..... HSUS used a very small minority of hunters opinion to push using dogs for bears was NOT FAIR CHASE, thus getting it outlawed.

Now do my examples make sense?


Only one fail proof agruement and it's not if we use feeders, high power rifles, blinds, high racks, etc... It's Forrest to plate.

No having to justify that.


When you define Fair Chase you have to justify it.

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