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#6276319 - 04/26/16 05:44 PM Logging Data - Because I'm A Geek At Heart
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New to reloading. Was looking up info on logging reloading and shot data to get ideas. I'll build a web-based system for myself. Had the following idea for using shot data.

No more keeping targets (with or without notes scribbled on them). No crappy pictures of targets. I can display a base image of a target and plot shots from data I've collected. For example, one day I have 5 shots, another day 5 more maybe with a different load. I could overlay the total of 10 shots on a single target even colorizing to distinguish between the two groups.

Thought the idea was pretty cool. Useful? I guess debatable. Technically this is not difficult for me - it's time that's the problem. I'll add it to my lengthy list of things I want to do, meanwhile I'll collect a bunch of data.

Your thoughts??

-Mickey
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#6276334 - 04/26/16 05:52 PM Re: Logging Data - Because I'm A Geek At Heart [Re: Mickey Moose]
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#6276392 - 04/26/16 06:24 PM Re: Logging Data - Because I'm A Geek At Heart [Re: Mickey Moose]
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I don't keep photos.

Barrel length, twist rate, clambering, powder, bullet, relation to the lands.

Record environmental conditions, including wind speed and direction.

During ladder tests I write +/- POI vs POA, simply in fractions of an inch.

So say I was shooting a 6.5 Creedmoor

41.4 gr -5 1/2"
41.7 gr -4"
42.0 gr -1 1/2"
42.3 gr -1 1/4"
42.6 gr -1"
42.9 gr +3"
43.2 gr +5"

That shows me that 42.0 gr. 42.3 gr and 42.6 gr. are in the node.

Then when I shoot those for groups I write the distance, temp. DA, wind speed and direction. I document the group size verticle X horizontal.
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#6276497 - 04/26/16 07:06 PM Re: Logging Data - Because I'm A Geek At Heart [Re: Buzzsaw]
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Heh.
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#6276516 - 04/26/16 07:11 PM Re: Logging Data - Because I'm A Geek At Heart [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
I don't keep photos.

For some reason I do.


Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Barrel length, twist rate, clambering, powder, bullet, relation to the lands.

Hadn't thought of that. Should have been obvious, thanks.


The rest of it I already have plus a few more items suck as cold bore and new/clean.

All in all it will be quite a bit of data that could be used in interesting, albeit useless, ways.
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#6276979 - 04/26/16 10:51 PM Re: Logging Data - Because I'm A Geek At Heart [Re: Mickey Moose]
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I kinda geek out as I'm building my database. I have a different tab in excel for each caliber and track the following info:



I still like keeping the targets or photos as the group shape may tell a story more so than just the data.
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#6277017 - 04/27/16 12:07 AM Re: Logging Data - Because I'm A Geek At Heart [Re: Big Fitz]
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I like the spreadsheet approach and had initially set out that direction but changed my mind for various reasons.

Database schema is done, database built, some data added. Testing on the database side to see if I like the design. Seems pretty solid. Maybe I'll put together part of the web interface [much] sooner than anticipated.
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#6277536 - 04/27/16 12:07 PM Re: Logging Data - Because I'm A Geek At Heart [Re: Mickey Moose]
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BF and MM - y'all need to play my game as anal as you are about data.

This might surprise some of you but I keep data and targets up until I get a load that I'm going to shoot...then I throw it all away and only shoot that. My reasoning...it was noise that I was paying way to much attention too. When I throw it away I'm convinced that is the best load for that barrel. 1000-1200 rounds later I've got to start over with another barrel anyway.

The one exception is if I shoot a ladder test with one I will keep it until that barrel is toast. I've shot enough 6brx and 6 dashers that I don't do what most would consider load development...I know the powder charge all I do is find the seating depth needed to shoot tight and will check different primers for an ES/SD reduction. Matter of fact, I just had a new 6brx barrel chambered and my gunsmith said he had some latest and greatest reamer...he asked if I wanted it...I said "nope" I know what it takes to make the old one shoot...keep grinding that one. He just laughed and said he understood.
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#6277569 - 04/27/16 12:26 PM Re: Logging Data - Because I'm A Geek At Heart [Re: Judd]
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Judd - our leagues are so far apart - I'm little league just playing around. So far from ready for the level you are at. Can't focus enough to get there either.

In my personal life I have too many things I want to do. I am a constant distraction to myself. I could buy ammo but, nope, analysis paralysis to buy reloading equipment. Took away from time with technical pursuits, which took away from striping my lawn. Then I want to hot tub. The other night I came up with a short list of welding projects. I don't even own a flipping welder nor have I ever used one! Never ending.

In my work - laser focus. Don't understand how I can be so polar opposite.
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#6277642 - 04/27/16 01:16 PM Re: Logging Data - Because I'm A Geek At Heart [Re: Mickey Moose]
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Originally Posted By: Mickey Moose


In my personal life I have too many things I want to do. I am a constant distraction to myself.

In my work - laser focus. Don't understand how I can be so polar opposite.


cuz you're a grasshopper .... I used to do all that , later realized waste of time

concentrate on the 'patterns' - keep that in your phone's Notes

There is a better way to keep track of all that and still have it handy at the range
is the use of Apple iPad; start a Notes Page, write date/load/weather/texts etc... snap picture of target
You now have everything text/pics all within a page

repeat

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#6277653 - 04/27/16 01:24 PM Re: Logging Data - Because I'm A Geek At Heart [Re: Mickey Moose]
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Originally Posted By: Mickey Moose
Judd - our leagues are so far apart - I'm little league just playing around. So far from ready for the level you are at. Can't focus enough to get there either.

In my personal life I have too many things I want to do. I am a constant distraction to myself. I could buy ammo but, nope, analysis paralysis to buy reloading equipment. Took away from time with technical pursuits, which took away from striping my lawn. Then I want to hot tub. The other night I came up with a short list of welding projects. I don't even own a flipping welder nor have I ever used one! Never ending.

In my work - laser focus. Don't understand how I can be so polar opposite.


With a mentor or coach you could get to my league pretty fast, two seasons I would guess. I can't help you with the focus...I'm one of those guys who plan, plan, plan in my work life and I want zero plans in my personal life. I rarely commit to weekend plans before Thurs/Friday because my whole world is a plan. I can't wait to retire so I'll have less #*$&$ to give grin
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#6277680 - 04/27/16 01:41 PM Re: Logging Data - Because I'm A Geek At Heart [Re: Judd]
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Originally Posted By: Judd
Originally Posted By: Mickey Moose
Judd - our leagues are so far apart - I'm little league just playing around. So far from ready for the level you are at. Can't focus enough to get there either.

In my personal life I have too many things I want to do. I am a constant distraction to myself. I could buy ammo but, nope, analysis paralysis to buy reloading equipment. Took away from time with technical pursuits, which took away from striping my lawn. Then I want to hot tub. The other night I came up with a short list of welding projects. I don't even own a flipping welder nor have I ever used one! Never ending.

In my work - laser focus. Don't understand how I can be so polar opposite.


With a mentor or coach you could get to my league pretty fast, two seasons I would guess. I can't help you with the focus...I'm one of those guys who plan, plan, plan in my work life and I want zero plans in my personal life. I rarely commit to weekend plans before Thurs/Friday because my whole world is a plan. I can't wait to retire so I'll have less #*$&$ to give grin


Sounds eerily familiar! In my line of work I had to be so overly focused and organized that I avoid it in my down time (otherwise it is not downtime). Top that off with a touch of ADD and my brain NEVER stops. That made me tired...gonna go take a nap.
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#6278175 - 04/27/16 07:54 PM Re: Logging Data - Because I'm A Geek At Heart [Re: Big Fitz]
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Originally Posted By: Big Fitz
Originally Posted By: Judd
Originally Posted By: Mickey Moose
Judd - our leagues are so far apart - I'm little league just playing around. So far from ready for the level you are at. Can't focus enough to get there either.

In my personal life I have too many things I want to do. I am a constant distraction to myself. I could buy ammo but, nope, analysis paralysis to buy reloading equipment. Took away from time with technical pursuits, which took away from striping my lawn. Then I want to hot tub. The other night I came up with a short list of welding projects. I don't even own a flipping welder nor have I ever used one! Never ending.

In my work - laser focus. Don't understand how I can be so polar opposite.


With a mentor or coach you could get to my league pretty fast, two seasons I would guess. I can't help you with the focus...I'm one of those guys who plan, plan, plan in my work life and I want zero plans in my personal life. I rarely commit to weekend plans before Thurs/Friday because my whole world is a plan. I can't wait to retire so I'll have less #*$&$ to give grin


Sounds eerily familiar! In my line of work I had to be so overly focused and organized that I avoid it in my down time (otherwise it is not downtime). Top that off with a touch of ADD and my brain NEVER stops. That made me tired...gonna go take a nap.


I don't know how you two deal with me, then. 24 hours on, 48 hours off, 24 hours on, 48 hours off,

F-O-R-E-V-E-R! (Sandlot voice)
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#6278359 - 04/27/16 10:04 PM Re: Logging Data - Because I'm A Geek At Heart [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
I don't know how you two deal with me, then. 24 hours on, 48 hours off, 24 hours on, 48 hours off, F-O-R-E-V-E-R! (Sandlot voice)


You're a special kind of special... banana
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#6278674 - 04/28/16 09:03 AM Re: Logging Data - Because I'm A Geek At Heart [Re: Big Fitz]
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Originally Posted By: Big Fitz
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
I don't know how you two deal with me, then. 24 hours on, 48 hours off, 24 hours on, 48 hours off, F-O-R-E-V-E-R! (Sandlot voice)


You're a special kind of special... banana


It's hard to argue that grin

For me, it's easy, I live through your adventures wink Also, don't kid yourself...I'd venture to say you work harder on those 48 off than you do on most of the 24 on.
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